Mason Riggle

@mandyjw There is nothing for me [the Universe] to do, other than exactly what I [God] truly wish [Love] to do, which I'm already always doing. - Liberation!!

@BlackMaze everything happens exactly and only if and when it does. Imagine a picture with 'hidden images' in it, 'find the hidden object'.. clearly not a difficult task, that almost anyone can do.. some might be able to find them faster than others, but no one can find them 'sooner' than they do. And for someone who has no idea about this picture.. has never seen it.. never heard of it.. they might never find the hidden objects.. they don't even know there is a picture with hidden objects to be found.. When will that person find the hidden objects?? Can they cause themselves to find them? They will be found exactly and only if and when they are.

@mandyjw I wish to be careful about what I wish for.

Actually, it still is what it is, I am just confused about what it is. I never suggested wants are thoughts. What I want is what I want, and never what I don't want, even if I'm confused about what I want.

Do you see the problem here? You can only want what you don't want if [what you don't want] is what you want. When is anything ever not what it is?

Perhaps that will occur.. who knows?

@Nahm like this. <gestures broadly at everything>

@Inliytened1 freely means 'Love'? never heard that one.

@Inliytened1 "It's all happening." "It's all happening freely." I don't understand what the word 'freely' might possibly mean here. Other than how it is?

@Nahm playing the you/You game. Whether 'This/you' is 'Everything/Nothing/God/Universe' or 'a human organism', neither 'do' anything beyond 'be how they are'.

@Nahm no one to answer, no one to 'be free'. "It's all happening, and no one is doing it."

Am I free to want what I don't want? If not, where's the freedom?

Since then, many other realizations have occurred from contemplation (and some help from Leo ). - no self/no free will - relativity/infinity - duality/non-duality - strange loopiness - imaginary reality - Truth/Love/God

@Godishere Just a simple mindfulness mediation. I realized everything is me, and it's all happening, and nobody is doing it.

@Godishere I've tripped 100's of times.. The most enlightening awakening I ever had was completely sober, near the end of a simple 9 minute meditation I tried while sitting at my desk at work.

@Inliytened1 Is the whole Universe aware of itself? Perhaps, and yet here it is, being just how it is.

Consider.. is a tree 'aware' of the sun? How else does it know what direction to grow it's leaves? Awareness doesn't mean 'has the same complex memory and cognitive capacity as a human'.

@GreenLight recognize that you are always 'being you' and there's nothing else for you to 'do'. 'Trying to be like yourself' and 'trying not to be like yourself' are the same thing... both are just more 'what you are doing', which is always 'being yourself'. Your life will unfold how it will. If you want to go to the store, you can ask me how to get to the store, and I can tell you.. but I can never tell you that you 'going to the store' is what you should be doing. Should you want to go to the store? Who am I to say?. only you know what you want to do, and so that's what you do... but you can't want to do anything other than what you want to do without wanting to.. do you see the problem with figuring out what you 'should' do? The only thing you 'should' do.. is exactly what you are already doing, which is 'being you'.. is there anything else you 'could do'?

"God's plan seems suspiciously similar to that of someone with no plan."

? “I have no other self than the totality of things of which I am aware.” ― Alan W. Watts

@Inliytened1 and what is 'imagining' exactly? Well.. it's the same as 'creation'. And what is 'the mechanism' of 'creation'? How does 'creation' happen? Well.. the mechanism is 'duality'... which is just 'pretend limits' or 'pretend distinctions'. How is 'direction' created? Or 'size'? Or 'time'? It's 'imagined' that there's an 'up, relative to down'. There's a 'big' relative to 'small'. There's a 'past' relative to 'future'. Consider.. where are you? Where is Earth? Where is the Universe? Well, you can't really say. You can only 'be somewhere' relative to 'somewhere else'.. but where is 'somewhere' and 'somewhere else'? There's no perspective from which to say. The Universe is everywhere. Anywhere 'outside' the Universe that we could say the Universe exist 'relative to' would be included in 'The Universe'... distance is infinite. How big are you? Relative to an atom, you are huge.. relative to the moon, you are tiny.. but how big is the moon? how big is an atom? They only have relative to size. Relative to the Sun, the moon is tiny.. relative to an electron, the atom is huge... size is infinite. When in time are you? In the middle somewhere? Near the beginning? Almost at the end? You can only say 'when you are' relative to some other time.. but 'when you exists' and 'some other time' only exist relative to each other.. time is infinite. Infinity is 'limitless'.. it's has no size.. no shape.. no form.. it's the same as 'nothing'. And that's what 'you' really are, Everything/Nothing.. Infinity, but you are 'pretending/imagining' that you're not... that you are 'finite'.. that there is an 'up and a down'.. a 'here and a there'.. a 'then and a now'.. a 'you' and 'that which is not you'. All of these distinctions are imaginary duality.. but they 'create' YOU.. all of this, and without these imaginary 'limits', 'you/this' wouldn't 'seem' like anything.

@Inliytened1 "I am. Ohhhhh.. I AM!" - Leo Gura

@Hulia Whether or not 'reality' is 'imaginary' (just mind stuff) or 'actual stuff' isn't important. The important thing to be recognized, is that whichever it is, it's happening, and 'you' are not 'doing it'. 'You' and 'Doing it' are in quotes, because these are tricky bits of language. It's this language that creates the illusion of a 'doer' and 'doing'. When an organism has the thought, 'I am thinking', for example, it tends to imagine that there is some 'separate self' somewhere within itself that is 'causing' thoughts to occur, but this is false. When an organism has the thought, 'I am growing my hair', it is never tempted to imagine that there is some 'separate self' within itself 'causing it's hair to grow'. The organism is growing hair, thinking thoughts, etc, automatically. So.. whether 'you' are defined as 'Hulia, actual human organism' or 'God/Everything, imaginer of itself', there is nothing 'to do' other than 'be how you are', which you are always 'doing', without trying. Consider, for example, that language can be used to say, 'trees are growing leaves', and then recognize that there is no 'separate tree' somewhere inside of a tree that's 'doing the growing of leaves'.. the 'growing of leaves' IS the tree.. Trees ARE trees, without ever 'trying to be trees'. 'You', however you define 'yourself', are always just 'being you' without trying. How hard are you trying to 'be you' right now? The answer is, 'not hard at all'.. you are just 'being you', effortlessly. You don't have to 'try to grow your hair'.. or 'try to beat your heart'.. or 'try to think your thoughts'.. Hair is growing, the heart is beating, thoughts are occurring, and there's no 'you' that's 'doing it'. Consider what it would be like, to be a tree and suddenly become aware that you were a tree.. 'oh.. I'm a tree.. I'm growing leaves, and branches, and roots, and a trunk.'. What could the tree do with this realization? It would still be a tree, doing what a tree does.. it would just be aware that that's what it is. "I'm a tree, being a tree." The tree would be confusing itself, if it imagined that this 'being aware of being itself' allowed it to be other than how it is being. It's all happening, whatever it is, and no one is doing it.

Meh, language is a powerful tool, and Leo uses it masterfully. He doesn't swear excessively. As kids, my brother once told me, 'notice how other adults swear all the time, but not our mom.. when she swears, that's how you know she's mad. If she swore all the time, the words would lose their power.'

Sometimes. When the ego recognizes it's own lack of foundation, it reverts to the Godhead. Both are God being what it is. Like lucid dreaming, there is awareness that it's a dream, while still being in the dream.. It's only when fully awake, that the dream disappears completely. The funny thing about making distinctions, is that all distinctions are dual in nature, and these dualities can be transcended. It can be realized that even as limited human ego, that's what God IS, when it's that.