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You still go to the police because you don’t know what they’ll find and it’ll provide credence if someone else reports them in the future. You can go to the media but the media should be balanced and not report something baseless or be clear it is just an allegation and not try to create a narrative and pressure companies to drop someone. The public should also be reasonable enough to understand you don’t know what you don’t know and people shouldn’t be judged guilty by default.

It’s actually not crazy because in real life you have to actually present evidence and go to court to prove something, just saying something happened really shouldn’t mean anything because anyone can say anything. Being on camera looking at someone isn’t necessarily proof you did something else.

No, it isn’t. You said he’s guilty because he’s upset, I’m saying he’d be upset even if he’s innocent. Justice is making judgements based on evidence, not jumping on a bandwagon and openly declaring you believe in guilty until proven innocent and cheering on large corporations hypocritically restricting someone based on just allegations when they didn’t do the same to others on their platform who are actually guilty.

The solution is not to have an absurd standard that you can destroy someone based on allegations alone. We’ve already had multiple examples of innocent men being destroyed. That is the same logic that lead to witch trials and lynching. If you want Justice you should go to the police and prove it, if you wait 20 years to bring it up that’s on you, it’s absurd to think we should just by default believe you and take someone out because anonymous people said unverifiable claims. A culture or “toxic masculinity” is not a real thing, there just exists inappropriate behavior, ascribing it to be an inherent part of one’s “masculinity” is pointless and unprovable. What we are seeing is the far more dangerous effects of a feminized society that leads with emotions and doesn’t put emphasis on things like evidence, truth, and personal accountability, instead turning everything into a hysterical argument where all sides try to out virtue signal the other and insert their own political ideologies and cultural takes into it rather than just looking at the facts. Imagine if in a fact finding attempt in a court of law the lawyers started ranting about toxic masculinity and the patriarchy and how all of society needs to change, and accusing you of internalized misogyny if you disagree as proof of their argument for guilt in a specific case.

So if he was innocent he would be totally calm and happy while his entire reputation and career gets destroyed? You all do not understand the slightest thing about how Justice works, this thread is a great example of how people willingly give up freedom to dictators and engage in hysterical witch trials and lynch mobs.

His father didn’t kill his mother or her lover, they lived after that.

If you care about your job, no.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/sep/21/video-platform-rumble-rejects-mps-call-to-demonetise-russell-brand UK Government is now trying to get him pulled off of Rumble.

What job can you do aside from teaching math?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0ZpRcLjcmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riTO5jyCpxk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXB80VEaRQQ

The 90s had a very high crime rate

https://youtu.be/ivNrbE26Aps?t=1561&si=q-Fnuy4wRWjBcz4k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBISYSQjpUg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEwQO3IIddI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPg9qYMjE3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDb3Y0WOHFI

“the evidence should be shown which is what happened in this case”, no it didn’t, no evidence was shown, we just have allegations. The case you linked says he wasn’t awarded for false allegations, he was awarded because they filmed a raid on his house violating his privacy. It isn’t harder to report celebrities than anyone else, having lawyers doesn’t stop reports, they come in after you report. I’m not saying he should get a slap on the wrist, you brought up reporting to the media with examples like Epstein and Saville being that it could be done as a way to stop them from continuing harms when police reporting doesn’t work. In this case that argument doesn’t fly because if Brand did do it, he already stopped. If he did do it he shouldn’t get a slap on the wrist - he should actually get punished but only after a proper police investigation and trial in court, not allegations made by the media.

The user I’m responding to specifically said he thinks it should be considered guilty until proven innocent. He was stating an allegation as though it was true by virtue of the fact it was said. I simply asked how he knows it was true. If someone is an active threat that’s different, but these allegations are from 20 years ago, they are just out for revenge. The examples you gave are people who should have been reported to the police as long as possible, not waiting decades. Having a standard of just believe anything told to the media is not a viable solution. At the very least show the public the evidence. Otherwise anyone can make something up to take down someone they don’t like. EDIT: also, looking it up the conviction rate for rape cases that make it to court is 75 percent in England and Whales https://www.scottishlegal.com/articles/england-juries-convict-defendants-of-rape-more-often-than-acquit

Feel free to provide your proof this actually happened, and no, your “guilty until proven innocent” standard doesn’t apply.

He didn’t, he just said sorry, it could have been about anything, such as it was consensual but she said otherwise after and he was saying sorry as in sorry she felt that way. Why assume the medias framing is correct?

He said he hasn’t quit but is taking a break

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJKiFisdi5g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68X1sqr9Prg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG8bA1BiCVA

You have the worst takes by far in this thread.

You are getting shit tested and failing

At least 4 years, most relationships only last under 2 years.