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But that’s not why they attacked, israel has admitted they don’t believe they can destroy irans nuclear capability and are asking for US intervention. But now even US officials are saying they are unsure if the US can destroy the facilities https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/19/trump-caution-on-iran-strike-linked-to-doubts-over-bunker-buster-bomb-officials-say So it’s more plausible this can result in Iran trying to attain a nuke itself as a later date, as well as other countries in the region as that’s shown to be the only deterrence since the US and Israel didn’t uphold the JCPOA.

Tucker Carlson just did a interview with Ted Cruz, it gets very heated due to his snippy comments, some highlights: Ted has been responding with various tweets after it got published: my analysis: Tucker used to be ardently pro interventionism for example supporting the Iraq war and calling for war with Iran. Over time that shifted and he’s become radically non interventionist recently. I’m surprised Ted accepted his interview when he did something similar to Mike Pence regarding his support for Ukraine which caused damage to his presidential campaign.

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- the IAEA report did not say they were making nuclear weapons, the chief just confirmed this https://x.com/EyesOnSouth1/status/1935268489767342298 - this is what US intelligence said https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/17/politics/israel-iran-nuclear-bomb-us-intelligence-years-away https://www.ynetnews.com/article/syl7ulhxgx https://www.nbcnews.com/video/hospital-damaged-by-israeli-strike-in-western-iran-241723973849 Irrelevant, striking civil energy infrastructure is a breach of Geneva conventions. Are you ok with Iran striking Israel’s energy infrastructure?

“The Israeli people want peace” is a misnomer, they define peace as Palestinians accept permanent brutal subjugation and all surrounding states be either anarchic perpetual civil wars or controlled by dictators backed by the US and Israel who repress any effort to counter Israel’s aggression and apartheid. It looks like though israel is acting like the strikes are to stop nuclear weapons (Iran wasn’t pursuing weapons and Israel alone cannot do this), they are admitting it’s actually about regime change and beginning a propaganda campaign that Iranians actually support what they are doing. This is false, while the regime is unpopular it still maintains a significant support base, and even those that dislike the regime mostly also dislike Israel for its own repression of Palestinians (far more brutal than anything Iran does to its people). The bombing campaign so far has targeted energy infrastructure to crash the economy, and also hit a hospital and news station killing countless journalist. Israel is even using terrorist tactics such as car bombs and admits 90% of deaths are civilians. Right now even Iranian opposition figures outside the US are coming out against the bombing en masse. It’s likely even more extreme for the population in Iran. The ones supporting it are a minority who have a large funding base, such as the son of the former Monarch trying to position himself as a replacement.

why? Countries without nukes that resist get picked off one by one. Iraq, Libya, Syria.

That wouldn’t be nearly enough. They are targeting banks and energy infrastructure, they also bombed a hospital and news station. They may be trying to turn it into a failed state to cause an uprising. But even that probably won’t be enough without serious boots on the ground. Also iran may go for broke and start bombing gulf oil fields and closing the strait to massively rise oil prices and crash the world economy if it comes to that.

Theoretical? Are West Bank settlements theoretical? Is invasion of Syria theoretical? The US was trying to strangle them with sanctions and arming Saddam while he gassed them long before they seriously got involved with the Israel issue. Let’s say the same to israel then. If you don’t like terror attacks and foreign countries arming rebel groups don’t make your national purpose occupying millions of people and seizing their land.

https://www.972mag.com/iran-israel-war-ori-goldberg/

Those attacks weakened and slowed the program, but they never stopped them from eventually getting weapons if that’s what they chose to do. They never did. The diplomacy example proves this. Their strategy is transparently to maintain latent nuclear capability.

So why didn’t they enrich it to weapons grade? Even if they did that it would take them more time to them build the actual weapon. You think they couldn’t have tried that at any time in the past 20 years? Why did they agree to the JCPOA which kept their enrichment below weaponization, and followed it.

Exactly, it worked out so well for Saddam and Gadaffi

They can, they chose not to. They could have went ahead with it for the last 20 years, they haven’t. They never created weapons grade uranium, and never developed a nuclear missile. That doesn’t match their behavior though. They never initiated a full on confrontation with Israel, instead just sending funds to small rebel groups. They never seriously tried to get nukes. They ignored Israel’s provocations to the point where israel had to go ahead and start the full scale war with them because otherwise they weren’t going to.

Israel knows Iran would never use nukes if it had them, they’d be immediately vaporized. Israel fears Iran with nukes won’t be able to ever be deposed and can continue doing proxy activities against them without any ability for Israel to threaten to try and escalate until it can drag the US in to depose them. Israelis also can’t psychologically accept that they’ll never not face resistance while occupying Palestinians so they always have to project that all the resistance comes from a foreign power and if they just destroyed them they’d have peace. US knows the same, if they really feared it they would stop rejecting the Middle East nuclear weapons free zone initiative, but they block it because it would require israel also give up its nukes. Iran wants to maintain enrichment so it has the ability to potentially make nukes as a way to get a deal to lower sanctions so they don’t end up like North Korea which is permanently strangled, but also don’t want to totally give up their ability so they don’t end up like Saddam or Gadaffi who the US deposed since they didn’t have nukes. Israel somehow convinced trump to demand Iran agree to no enrichment for any deal knowing it’s a poison pill to negotiations, as a way to get trump to let them have the go ahead to strike. Now that israel declared war on Iran their goal is probably - get the international public distracted from Gaza to further or complete the ethnic cleansing - revive Netanyahu’s political career and support base by exploiting Israeli bloodlust and getting them to rally around the flag - get Iran to rush to make a nuclear weapon to spur US entering the war - get the US to feel it’s in too deep and spur them to enter to try and further destroy their capabilities - trigger state collapse a la Syria What Iran is trying to do is drag things out until the US agrees to tell Israel to ceasefire and return to negotiations, with the unsaid threat being if the US enters they’ll strike gulf states oil infrastructure and close the strait of Hormuz radically increasing oil prices which contracts the world economy, as well as fire on all the vulnerable US targets they can reach in the region. They may do that anyway if they feel like dragging it out isn’t working and israel outlasts them as a way to go for broke to try and drag the US in themselves to create a Afghanistan scenario hoping to drag it out perhaps much longer and reconstitute from within a foreign occupation. If the US is dragged in Iran will be a failed state and China and Russia will try to prop it up to drag the US deeper so it expends more resources, and use that time to expand their spheres of influence with the US bogged down in the Middle East and possibly complete the takeovers of Ukraine and Taiwan. Iran being a failed state similar to what happened in iraq would spread to neighboring regions such as Qatar, Pakistan, Iraq and Syria. Trump could potentially use the war as justification for a crack down on civil liberties and his political opponents possibly to remain in office beyond his term. There is some indication he’s testing for that as seen as how he used ice to arrest and try to deport immigrants for criticizing Israel and using the US military to tamp down protests in LA. Long term I think the biggest risk of that would be - Civil war and balkanization in the US - destabilized nuclear Pakistan entering into a larger conflict with India, Muslim population of India at genocide risk (there have been examples of race riots and talk they are threat working with Pakistan) - US backed dictators in the Middle East deposed while Israel’s population becomes more extreme leading to a existential war and Israel using the Samson option

You repeatedly argued with me there shouldn’t be a ceasefire until Hamas is “destroyed”. Of course that ended up meaning the destruction of the entire Gazan people. Convenient…

You were absolutely celebratory regarding attacks that killed civilians. During the pager attack you were gloating about testicles exploding and when I posted a 8 year old girl who was killed you replied dismissively to me. Because the difference is on every relevant level Israel’s Gaza campaign was worse. They have literally destroyed 90% of buildings and openly say the goal is to make it unlivable and force the population to leave. Destroying water desalination plants, blocking food and medicine, razing farm land, have no military purpose, the purpose is destruction of civilian life. Yet the entire time that was happening, no matter how many tens of thousands of civilians were killed, you didn’t want a ceasefire, effectively you’re just fine with it.

Maybe I missed it, but I’m not seeing celebrating of it in this thread. And I can point to plenty of examples from 2023 early 2024 on here that were celebratory or borderline celebratory from the pro Israel side. Israeli media also reported 90% of missiles are fired at military targets. If that ratios not good enough for you, wait until you find out what israel did. It’s convenient to say you just support a operation because it’s hitting military targets, when supporting the operation means everything else it is doing, including the civilians it hits. If I said I support oct 7 but just because it got military targets, would that be acceptable to you? Actually I don’t know why I bother anymore. Your side will never get it.

Don’t worry, they have shelters, no one is blocking their food creating malnourishment, or medicine forcing amputations without anesthesia, they aren’t being shot while trying to get aid, they aren’t destroying 90% of residences and blocking emergency services from rescuing people stuck in the rubble forcing them to suffocate over days on dust. That only happened to the tens of thousands of Gazan children.

WSJ is reporting Iran is asking for a ceasefire, but a Iranian source told CNN its not true. Right now it’s still unclear if Israel went ahead on its own interrupting the negotiations, or if the negotiations were a ploy to help Israel attack with full US support. Also conflicting reports on if the US is planning to intervene or not.

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