BlackPhil

Why do you think the false self is limited to only the physical body? Im pretty certain the deception contains of many more layers before reaching the truth. Both my own experience and what Ive heard from many other experienced people tells me this is the case.

Ah, thank you for the answer! I assumed that was your position aswell but I wanted to clarify. Then we are on the same page. Keep up the good content!

Things are as they appear for you in your current state of consciousness. As long as you appear to yourself as a separate entity, that is whats real to you. It is an illusion from the ultimate perspective yes, but its foolish to neglect the illusion while still appearing to be stuck in it yourself as an ego. Some people (like in this thread) embrace nonduality intellectually and then threat everything that isnt the ultimate as irrelevant, even if they obviously are stuck in illusion themselves still, if they werent they wouldnt write like that in the first place. It becomes an ego thing.

Life and death are both only concepts, symbols we use to describe something and nothing with. Both of you kind of sounds like you've just found out about non-duality and are now just parroting obvious phrases. If you feel completely done with this illusion then sit down and fade away. Im not stopping you. But if not, even you are bound to the rules of the maya illusion as long as you imagine yourself to inhabit this body. There is nothing stopping one from exploring this illusion for aslong as one feel fit for it. I know death is not a thing in the sense many people think of it. But it can still be used as a concept. What it means all depends on how the one hearing it interprets it

Im aware of this too. This thread is not about whats ultimately true from the ultimate perspective, like I said. To communicate in this imaginary space we must use these imaginary concepts in lack of other alternatives, as long as we imagine ourselves stuck in this illusion of form. Just assume Im aware of those obvious things please. Unless your ego has already in this moment achieved complete loss of identification with self or form you also have to play under the rules of the game. If you cant handle it maybe Mahasamadhi is the way. I on the other hand still have some attachment to this imaginary existence (which is very faschinating aswell btw even if its nothing and nowhere) and Im curious about more imaginary details. So please stick to the subject.

Im aware of this too. But we have to call the changing of forms something, death is whats commonly used. You dont have to think of the usual concept of death people have just because you hear that word. Death for me doesnt mean what it does conventionally.

This plane of reality is clearly a system working in a specific way. Systems can be explored. It is possible to visit other planes with other systems. Even if we can never grasp the full thing we can still learn more details/parts about the metaphysical, just like we can of the physical.

Well, suffering is a very real and common occurrence god is putting itself through here on this plane too. Ive experienced it, likewise have countless versions of me/egos. Since gods imagination is infinite it must per definition also include planes/experiences with infinite suffering. Even if it cannot be permanent because only finite things busy with surviving has to be concerned about suffering. Still, Im not really afraid of those things. Because its nothing we can do, it is what it is. What is possible tho is to explore these different planes and try to learn more if youre curious.

Yes, Im aware of this. That its the case from the ultimate version of me. That everything that happens is as should be from the perspective of god. Still that could theoretically (or practically even) mean that ones ego could go to literal hell next. Even this could be absolute love and perfection from the ultimate perspective, I know. Knowing that intellectually as an ego doesnt really make that potential experience less hellish for the ego though. The only real escape is ofc to wake up to your true self and that is the entire dilemma we're talking about. I dont think that happens after the imaginary egos imaginary death just like that, as some people seem to believe.

Very likely for someone who has reached the state of consciousness where this can be manifested from. Im not sure its that simple if you havent tho. Edit: I mean, as you can see in this physical reality god/me/you created, nothing with real value is given out for free. Instant gratification is a shortcut to suffering. If its designed like that here I doubt that doesnt apply later on aswell.

Ive seen questions related to this here before and often people seem to find the need to point out that psychedelics are so much more powerful than the planes you can reach when astral projecting etc. And I know, thats not the point here. Im not here to compare the states of consciousness reached by the two different things. So skip those answers please, youre missing the point. Even if your current normal human state of consciousness is insignificant compared to the states you reach when peaking on your trip it doesnt take away the fact that when you come down you are still stuck in your human body and have to deal with it best you can. Therefor its not wise to just ignore phenomena inbetween the finite and the infinite, because even the finite things can prove being a huge challenge as long as you also are stuck in a finite form.

I remember when the swine-flu vaccine was pushed out around 2009. Here in Sweden more people than the amount that died or got seriously ill from the disease in question later developed narcolepsy and other life-ruining symptoms from the vaccine. That vaccine was not new or rushed out like these new ones. Just saying. Edit: Overall Im definitly not a so called anti-vaxxer. Its a whole different thing to take well tested vaccines against dangerous diseases like yellow fever etc. Another thing to hysterically call for mass vaccination of the whole population with untested ones like this. Having all the big-pharma companies compete for profit and speed.

There is a very big difference between believing in all the craziest conspiracy theories out there versus being critical and distrustful of big, capitalist companies that already have a very shady record on their necks. The very same companies that pushed opioids on people (causing another kind of epidemic), the same companies that continuously are lobbying against natural medicine in order to patent harmful lab-created drugs for profit etc. The list goes on. Right now these craziest conspiracy theorists are being lumped together with people who are (rightfully so) critical of trusting these bigpharma-companies to inject a very rushed, new form of vaccine into the whole population in order to stop a virus with a relatively low death rate for atleast younger people. Its very lazy and stupid in my opinion.

Indeed. Its the tribalistic nature of people in play, along with unconsciousness. People getting caught up in ideologies, unable to think independantly. By this point its getting silly tho. People seem to be completely unable to to take a step back and see themselves from an outside perspective. Seeing this phenomenon in humanity at large is no surprise, but it being this present even on a spiritual forum like this? Hmm, its worrying.

No. Ive had so many vivid dreams now telling me not to follow the herd on this one. Also I find no reason to trust bigpharma/bigtech companies that push this rushed out vaccines. Russel Brand made some good points about this in his latest video: Trust god, trust yourself, trust nature. Dont trust huge profitdriven companies (collective egos that operate from the materialistic-paradigm) that have over and over again proven that they are not to be trusted. This is not about selfishness vs altruism. These companies are the complete opposite of altruistic. In a way, isnt it more selfish and humanity-focused to want everyone to get vaccinated and survive? (If the vaccines indeed make this happen). All other lifeforms on this planet would surely benefit more if our population was reduced from a virus. Since when is death such a big scare for supposidly spiritual people? Not saying I feel this way but its another perspective. Also the people politicising this issue, making it tribal, are fools in my opinion. Im not some conservative moron subscribing to right wing ideology. Actually I find it quite funny and counter-intuitive that the modern left seems to suddenly blindly trust huge capitalistic companies, and associate distrust of these with being right wing "anti-vaxxers" and conspiracy theorists... Truly upside down times we live in, peak of Kali Yuga. But Im not telling anyone not to take it. Trust your intuition.

You should! Would be a good way to spread your ideas and your channel and would also be interesting to see your discussion with a science-minded person like him (with a science-based audience who need their minds opened more to this). Would be a better/more interesting interview for this topic than lets say Joe Rogan. There have been some guests there who touch on the subject but they either get it abit wrong or dont go deep enough.

Sometimes its necessary to state the obvious in order to get things going. I know this isnt some original idea Leo hasnt thought of, but still why not put it out there some more?

Yes but many people dont even know of the possibility to do so. If they did they would want it.

Its true it will be pointless with many of the people. But definitly not everyone. There are many who just havent been exposed to this kind of information and therefore are clueless because of that. I know of several people who used to be very stage orange-minded but got their minds changed and are now open to spirituality (myself included until I had some spontaneous astral projections and spiritual experiences as a teen) . Just hearing these teachings will atleast put the possibility in the back of their minds even if they at first dont get it. Then maybe later in their lifes they try some psychedelics or something that expands their consciousness and with this background knowledge it could help them "make sense" of it and in time help them wake up. Its painful to watch these supposed "brilliant" people like Eric Weinstein etc sit and endlessly discuss/debate things unsolvable from their materialistic/old paradigm perspective. The people of the world need exposure to these deeper thruths in order to faster expand our collective consciousness. Stage orange-ish people wont ever even give a second to listen to gurus who talk in riddles (Sadguru as an example) but Leos way of explaining could reach a few of them Im sure.

Thats often exactly what needs to happen to stir up some needed change.

Well, I havent watched that much from him but from what Ive seen he takes in all kinds of people, from comedians to philosophers to psychedelic scientists etc. And Ive also noticed they bring up consciousness alot and he seems very interested in what it is (probably because hes into AI and has the delusion consciousness is something we can create with science/nanotech). There have been a few people mentioning non-duality and spirituality aswell. But they dont go deep like I said. Maybe he just doesnt know much about what youre teaching in your videos and therefore dont have the "wisdom" to ask you to come. If people put some pressure perhaps he would do the interview. And yes I know much of his audience probably isnt very open-minded to this kind of stuff, but thats the exact reason it needs to reach them more than any. The way you explain this stuff is more scientific and rational than most other gurus and spiritual teachers and has a bigger chance of opening the minds of stage orange people etc. These teachings need to reach a broader audience, not only the people who already know about it and practice spirutuality themselves.

There is no proper and easy solution. Balance is the answer but thats hard to define. I just know for a fact that both sides tend to get too biased and tribalistic when it comes down to it, and I find it abit sad to see the political narrowmindness grow strong even on a supposedly counscious forum like this. I wish either side, Biden or Trump, would show a reflection of spiritual consciousness but as I see it now both sides are very unconscious. Atleast Trump isnt hiding his faultiness, and in a way I prefer that. With Biden and the democrats I get a very bad gut feeling of how they are hiding very dirty intentions while portraing the opposite to the public. I dont like how they seem to be greedy, egocentric people with a hidden agenda while simultaneously showing the opposite. It feels like they are using the good intentions of green-stage people to further their own agenda and power. People like that are the living dream to opportunistic states such as China.

First of all the Bidens are far from the conscious stage greenish people they portray themselves as outwards, to think that makes people look incredibly naive. Tbh their family seems to resemble the Lannisters from GoT more than anything, looking at the recent leaks. Secondly, even if they were the more conscious alternative it doesnt mean that the US and the west are ready for leaders like that at this time of our development. You really think less consciously developed countries like China, Russia or Iran, with their rising dictatorships, will just play along with the kumbaya stuff if the west goes there too quick? No they will start dominating the west and risk to instead make us fall down the spirals rather than up. The world is not that black and white and you cant just apply spiral dynamics and always expect that the "higher" stage is better for any given situation. The map is not the territory. Edit: Im not a Trump fan either but seeing peoples onesidedness and tribalism with this makes my head hurt.

True. Censoring them is turning them into martyrs for free though, without them even needing the suicide vests.

Censoring the other political side is just like repressing your own shadow, will only make it fester and grow bigger. Indeed the most extreme stuff shouldnt be on places like facebook. But in general it should be faced head on and debated. The cancel/censoring tactic the left is pushing now is countraproductive.