BlackPhil

Explain how I'm a troll. Is this the normal standard here nowdays? Was a while ago I read here.

Yes it can't get more obvious tbh. I'm not saying what Leo teaches on his youtube channel is a cult. I've also found many of the videos of great value. I'm talking about the whole covid mass-hysteria. But yes, I'm genuinely surprised how people on this forum has simply bought it all. Spiritual people used to be very skeptical of what is being pushed by the mainstream society. Which is a healthy thing to be because our societies are currently operating from a completely wrong paradigm in which materialism, profit and ego goes above most things.

Can barely understand what you're trying to say in any of your posts tbh. You're talking about my post being zero value and then keep posting stuff like this yourself. Not gonna argue more with you, pointless.

"Good luck advertising your pro-death stance to your fellow citizens."

The mRNA-shots has so far more reports of serious adverse effects in my country than the total amount of people treated for covid in intensive care this entire year. And the dark figures are enormous since they only started going through it all, plus the political and social stigma. Everyone criticizing the vaccine gets censored directly.

That's just pure gaslighting and you know it. Doesn't work on me, I'm sorry.

Yes thank you, I'm fully aware I wont be able to reach people like you, no matter what sense I try to bring. Cults tend to work that way unfortunately. It's members/victims are usually immune to any piece of information that goes against what they've been led to believe is the unquestionable truth. Fortunately not everyone is that deep into it yet, so hopefully this doesn't apply to everyone reading.

I live in Sweden, we didn't lock down during this whole pandemic. Almost everyone I know (including myself) has had covid. One or two of them got quite ill and lost their smell for a while but that was it. If this was an effective, well-tested vaccine, that didn't make you sign up for a damn subscription to big-pharma, I would maybe have a different opinion.

This whole thing with the pandemic and the fear-mongering has become alot like a giant cult. A sort of mass-psychosis, so to speak. This is not the return of the Black Death people. And injecting mRNA-technology (which makes your body produce toxic spike-proteins) over and over into your body is not healthy, anyone in their right mind should be able to understand this.

Yeah, can only say the same about yours, my friend.

Jesus christ. Thought "spiritual people" used to be abit more clever and skeptical to the mainstream than this. Unless you are old or very sick you can rely on your own immune system and natural, healthy food and remedies to combat this virus. No need to fill big-pharmas pockets and inject an unnatural, untested mRNA-"vaccine" into your body (not once but over and over), which obviously doesn't stop the spread and only might prevent severe illness for a short period. Omicron is less lethal and more virulent than previous mutations, so best thing is to let it run through the population naturally until it becomes endemic and we achieved herd-immunity. Trying to vaccinate away an ongoing pandemic with "booster" upon booster is just pure madness. Since when did you people become so irrationally afraid of death?

Hi. Im wondering if Leo (or anyone else with insights) has some new takes on the process that occurs after death of the physical body. I am aware of the truth of non-duality. I have had many phychedelic trips, including ego deaths. So there is no doubt in my mind that the final "destination" is that complete lack of self/merge with everything/nirvana/god. When Ive seen Leos videos about the matter I get the feeling that he implies that we will all automatically become infinity when our physical human-selves dies, no matter how spiritually developed we have become during our lifetime (might be me that misunderstood him, thats why I want a clarification). I personally have a hard time buying this (dont get me wrong, I do believe we will all reach that point in the "end" guaranteed, but that could mean an infinity of lifetimes). What I dont believe is that any human ego that dies will go there after each lifetime, no matter how little developed he/she is. I dont think for example a person who has completely negligated/been unaware of spirituality during that individuals lifetime will be able to merge with the infinite when the physical body dies. Perhaps get a flash glimpse of it before getting overwhelmed and popping out as some limited self again that matches his/her development of what the individual can comprehend as some sort of "reality" for the time being. Just like the fact that you can have peak experiences of god when breaking through on psychedelics but at the same time its pretty much unheard of, or atleast extremely rare, that someone manages to maintain what the psychedelic has given you a taste of by yourself when it has faded (even people who use psychedelics like 5meo or similar very frequently with enlightment as goal. To do this you must go through other more challenging practices in order to increase your baseline consciousness aswell as strenghten your ability to remain in those high stages for longer periods (and according to many yogis this process can take many lifetimes of practice. This is not something an everyday person achieve automatically by just doing something so basic that literally everyone can and will do it; meaning killing your physical body. Like a yogi (or munk, cant remember) once answered when asked the question of if it is possible to reach enlightened states using psychedelics: Yes it is possible! But you cannot maintain it, you don't have the strenght! Another factor is that the illusion of our human selves goes deeper than just the physical body. Meaning that we supposedly have a Physical Body, an Etheric Body, an Astral Body, a Mental Body a Spiritual Body and a Cosmic Body. Personally I cant deny or confirm the existance of all those I mentioned there or how correct the terms they have been given there are. But I do have personal experience of atleast the so called astral body and have had since I was a kid. Before I had any concepts of what spirituality, enlightment etc even was I had spontaneous astral projections occuring maybe once a month or so. Many say that astral projection is the same thing as lucid dreaming (and perhaps in a way it is) but whats different for me is that when you astral project while awake you experience the actually separation of you astral body from your physical one. This is accompanied by intense vibrations through your spine and whole body (can even be very painful like getting powerful electric shocks), if you manage to relax when this happens you will most often simply glide out of your physical body (during this whole event you are completely alert and awake) and end up in the astral version of the very same room you were previously sleeping in. Again, the first years of this happening to me as a kid I had no idea what was going on, so this was not something I had any concept of in my head and thereby manifested it. It just happened, and there I was on the astral version of my house and neighborhood where I could fly around etc. Its very dreamlike the whole sensation but at the same time very much clearer and more consistent. Its also populated by entities (often catlike beings for some reason). Sometimes these experiences were beautiful and sometimes quite terrifying since some of the entities populating the astral plane seems aggressive. Not until years later as a teen when I got my hands on some book about Indian mysticism I actually found out this was a real thing being practiced by people for thousands of years. This blew my mind back then btw since I grew up in a secular home with parents who didnt know anything about spirituality (my grandmother had similar experiences tho she told me). Anyways got sidetracked on AP there. My point is that since these other "bodies" actually do "exist" (as imagination ultimately sure, but no less than the imagination of our physical bodies) and make up our selves how do we know that these dies just because our physical body dies? From what Ive heard from yogis and others these bodies actually persist longer, especially if we have stored up "energy" left. All this is pointing against the fact that we would just instantly merge with god after our physical death. Still Ive heard almost nothing from Leo about these things. Dont get me wrong, I find great value in Leos work and Im fully onboard with his conclusions on the ultimate truth etc. And I know psychedelics has an amazing power to take you to these very high states. But at the same time I get the feeling that there is alot of stuff inbetween being overlooked here, things that may be important. And yet again, I know that all this ultimately is imagination like everything else but that doesn't mean we can just ignore it and make it go away, just like we cant imagine away our imaginary walls in our room. These experiences, different astral planes etc seem to be very consistent for everyone who experiences them, just like this reality but with slightly less physical rules. Gods imagined reality definitely has alot of layers to it and I dont think we can just overlook them thinking we got a free-ticket to Nirvana if we choke on our breakfast tomorrow ;)... I mean if everyone is heading to the ultimate after death why would the yogi in Tibet spend his whole life in a hard cave trying to reach enlightment until he finally does it at lets say age 95 if he was going there anyways very soon automatically?

No I didnt pay anything. I was just adviced to do the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram around my bed area each night before going to bed. You can find instructions on how to do it online easily. You can also buy white sage and burn it in your house daily (same plant shamans often use to keep area clean during ayahuasca ceremony). I also drew a sigil and put it over my bed but unfortunatly I dont remember how it looked because this was years ago. I dont know if thats necessary, but if you want it you can probably also ask on that forum or somewhere else alike and if youre lucky some experienced person there can help you with that. Whats also important is that you try to get in more positive state mentally overall. These kind of entities are drawn to negative energy. I was in a pretty dark stage of my life back then. Combining that with reckless APs or other occult practices is asking for trouble. Do you feel like youre getting possessed by this energy you mean? Or do you experience it as a separate entity from your egoself? For me it never got inside of my body (even if it tried to rip my astral body away from my physical one several times). It manifested like a demonic, beastlike entity in my bed, was nothing you could reason with since it seemed more like a wild animal than anything resembling a human. Was always hard to get a clear look on it because it usually appeared behind me, when dark in my room, while I was unable to move because of the paralysis. It made growling, hissing sounds like a beast straight out of hell, and was like clawing my back causing very painful/uncomfortable sensations in my energy body haha... Fking terrifying stuff. Hope my advice can help. Goodluck! Edit: Also try to not put any more attention on it than necessary. Dont think about it if you can avoid. And stay away from so called Left hand path spirituality (occultism etc), you dont need it for mysticism/right hand path which is the focus of this forum and actualized. Another edit: Not that its necessarily anything wrong or "evil" with left hand path practice, even if some people abuse it for selfish gains. But you need to know what youre doing. Its more risky.

I know. But since Leo and many others say love is the most fundamental property to god/reality, I think saying intelligence (like Sadguru did) is just as accurate.

There are both positive and negative entities you can summon and interact with using different rituals, and you dont even need psychedelics so see them after some training. Some can aid you in your awakening, some can aid your ego in other areas of life, and some can mess you up pretty badly. This dream of god contains alot more than what meets the eye.

https://forum.becomealivinggod.com/ On this forum you can find more people that are into that kind of stuff. Left hand path work. How to summon or banish spirits etc. I did some meddling in that occult stuff when I was younger. It works but be careful. Used to do alot of AP when younger, without proper protection. Some spirit/demon from the astral plane then started visiting me, almost every night. Giving me sleep paralysis, and was violently attacking my astral body, sucking energy so every morning when I woke up I felt so drained I could barely leave the bed. Was a very terrifying experience. That entity sounded like a wild beast, clawing my energy body etc. Found that forum and some guy there helped me with a sigil and banishing ritual that I did for a while. It worked. I didnt believe in that stuff before it happened to me. Just had spontaneous astral projections without knowing it could be risky or that those kind of spirits even was a thing.

Ive heard Sadguru propose that intelligence is in a way more fundamental to reality/god than love. I think I also lean towards that way of seeing it; with infinite intelligence comes infinite love because infinite intelligence will "understand" that nothing could be more important than universal love and therefor becomes it. Seems more reasonable than to say that infinite intelligence comes out of infinite love? Edit: Dont mean the last sentence literally but just putting it like that to question why love would be more fundamental to the universe than intelligence.

I think learning more about these things could be relevant for ones awakening though. Because of the fact that most people simply wont achieve full awakening during their current lifetime I think having a clue of wether or not their progress towards it atleast in some way stays with them in the potential next ones can play a great role in how they approach the work right now. If everyone becomes fully awake after physical death whats the point of even putting any real effort towards it during your current short experience as human?

Too tired now, cant type correctly. Can continue discussion tomorrow maybe have a good night

Yeah, well what you define as death is a wordgame. Up for interpretation. Doesnt really matter what you call it aslong as the person listening understand what youre pointing towards. This particular thread was about what might occur after the physical body dies/stops working atleast. That doesnt necessarily mean its the end of separation beliefs, nor the death of the nonphysical components of the separation. Prefer to call it total awakening or something like that when talking about complete loss of separation beliefs. Im no believer in the kind of rebirth where you keep anything noticeable of your previous identity. Atleast not consciously or in any way physically accessible. But there are layers to "reality" like I said, some that have no resemblance to what we can conceptualize or measure using human intelligence or means, so I cant really decribe it in words. But I assume you also had mystical experiences/breakthroughs etc? If so you will probably have an open mind to the possibility of some kind of "essence" of your individuated consciousness staying intact through different incarnations/experiences. This essence is ofc consciousness itself like the rest and its unlimited. Therefor I dont see it as impossible that it could keep some properties/individuality through different dreams/egos w/e. Im not really talking about memories of the kinds we have now from our current imaginary lifes. More like a memory of what state of consciousness you have aquired that could follow you through lifetimes on your evolution towards becoming fully awake/nondual. I dont personally have any experience of past life memories or stuff like that but if someone could have the ability to reach a state of consciousness from which this "data" stored could somehow be analysed and manifested as memories, I dont know. But nothing is impossible. Its still worth trying to find out more. If nothing else, its interesting, and Im a person seeking knowledge. Even if there is no separation ultimately we still have to deal with the appearance of it being until we awaken fully. So until that happens it doesnt really do anything just knowing it and experiencing it during short breakthrough peaks.

Yes, but now youre talking about awakening. What I mean with death in this thread is the (imaginary) death of the physical body. I dont see it as a guarantee (or even likely) that people in general will fully awaken just because their physical body dies. I think this only happens to those who are enlightened/have reached a very high state of consciousness at the moment of their physical death. The majority of people wont be conscious enough to fully break through all the layers just because their physical "probe" stops working. I know from experience (which seems to match what many yogis, sages etc through history has explained) that our false, separated ego-self is made up of more "bodies" than just the physical one. This particular "reality", dreamed up by the godhead, also consists of more "planes" than merely the physical one. This you can experience yourself through various means like AP etc. These different metaphysical planes/dreams are pretty consistent in their structure and how they manifest for people, not just random. They also seem to operate under specific systems, rules and "logic", much like this physical one but different. They are ofc ultimately imaginary, but no more or less than the physical plane. The astral plane for example seem to have "areas", entities and other phenomena that can be experienced and interacted with by different people/egos visiting, independent of eachother. This indicates that they are not just merely an individual egos personal manifestation/dream, but infact an intelligently designed creation by you/me/godself, there to fill a function as another part of the whole creation. Since our separated selves appear to "exist" on these other planes aswell, independent of the physical body, I dont think our ego will stop experiencing itself as separate on all levels automatically just because it loses its physical mask. Just like its not an easy thing to stop imagining yourself as a separate self in this physical dream (I mean maintaining it, not peak breakthrough experiences), I think the same will apply on the astral, and all other layers this dream may consist of. Just looking at the incomprehensibly complex system operating this physical dream, making it all work together as one, towards evolution, I have a very hard time believing this system doesnt keep following a predesigned pattern beyond physical death. My own intuition, and what Ive found out from researching the matter, is that we will be given a possibility to break free and awaken from the, so called, wheel of karma when we leave our physical bodies. Most egos (in our current stage of evolution) will not be developed enough or ready to completely let go and merge with infinity though If there is the slightest resistance, attachment or fear left in you it will stop the process and you will remain as a separate self. Perhaps youll be stuck on some of the non-physical planes in gods imagination until whats left of your previous identity, memories etc is erased/fades away enough for "you" to take the form of some other false self and start again. Im not certain if exactly everything of your individual "spirit" or energy (call it w/e) fades away tho, I dont think it can unless you fully merge with the godhead. That little essence of whats left could maybe explain past life regression and things like that some people report. Could also play a part in what your base level of consciousness will be in your next manifestation. Much of this is ofc speculation but I definitly think there atleast is some type of system like this we will follow. I dont believe gods evolutionary design just turns into random dreams all of a sudden and I also dont think youll awaken fully after physical death unless youre developed enough to embrace it with 0 resistance. Even if you can handle a breakthrough trip that wont be the same thing as completely and forever maintaining nondual consciousness. Then there are ofc occult practitioners throughout history that claims its possible to use methods, black magic and stuff in order to obtain more selfish gains for their ego like choosing exactly who/what you will be when reincarnating etc. This I dont know much about but I have an open mind for what could be possible. Edit: In any case Im certain these things can be explored alot more than some people think. The mentality some people have when saying its impossible to know/pointless to discuss etc is the same kind of mindset people who dismiss the possibility of awakening using psychedelics (without even having tried) have. That mindset doesnt really help you if youre into this work, exploring spirituality and these kinds of things imo.

If youre not supposed to speculate on a discussion forum Leo might aswell shut it down because there is nothing more to say.

Well, its only speculation until you find out a way to learn more. Reaching awakened states using psychedelics was only speculation until someone discovered the method and tried it. Also I think it can be very problematic to just ignore these things. For instance it seems like alot of people get the idea that they will merge into the godhead when their physical body dies no matter what. This belief can make people do very foolish things, hurting themselves or others etc. Therefor I dont think discussing these things, trying to find more answers, is a waste of time at all. Im not saying it isnt possible that you actually go non-dual after physical death, but from my own experiences and from listening to yogis etc I think its highly unlikely that is what happens for the everyday person.

Is what you are saying true for you in your direct experience right now in your current state of consciousness? Obviously not or you wouldnt appear to be writing on this forum. Its very foolish and pointless to conceptualize the ultimate truth when your'e not conscious of it in your current state. Its a common thing people new to this tend to do (I did it myself some years ago), you will soon find out its not helpful. As long as you appear as a so called human you will have to adjust to that. If youre not interested in anything but parroting tautologies of the godstate fine, but go do it in another thread please.

Yes thank you, we know. So why are you even writing, or imagining you are? This thread is not about the ultimate like Ive said many times now.