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Revenge-seeking has casualties which just happened to be in the firing line of the revenge-seeker. It causes needless damage which has to be protected against. Take a look at the Iraq war for example. When a particular section of society gets radicalized, it's an issue for the whole society! That's like conservatives saying that 'Patriarchial oppression doesn't exist and feminists are spending too much time worrying about nothing! Why are you afraid of the patriarchy?' Maybe you don't notice the revenge-seeking elements of feminism. It's pretty well-known! To my eyes, 'seeking revenge for oppression' is a mirror image of what incels are doing. It's not at all respectable and it gives the movement a bad rap.

Oh yeah I think this is important to mention : perspective is different from opinion. Perspective would mean the totality of where this person is coming from, the understanding of how they deluded themselves, etc. while opinion is just what they think. We can integrate perspectives of people we totally disagree with! That way, we can have different opinions AND be on the same page. It's very useful to accommodate for what they actually need (not what they say they need, which could be bullshit) to minimize the level of resistance to evolution.

So I do agree with Leo when he says that the Left-Wing perspective in general is more conscious than the Right-Wing perspective. However, if we're really gonna move past this hump as a society, people who identify with the Left really need to deeply understand the perspective of the Right. It's on the side that's more conscious to bridge this gap. The more conscious people on the Left really need to integrate their inner Right-winger so to speak. That way, Leftists won't be so triggered by the status-quo/Conservatives and we'll be able to get on the same playing field when it comes to having political discussions! What are your experiences with this, i.e. integrating Conservative perspectives?

First of all, the patriarchy is literally in our DNA! We've been bred and suckled on it and we literally don't know any other way of survival. The patriarchy includes all hierarchical and bureaucratic formal systems/institutions/structures which were designed by men, for men to work in and for the survival of everyone. It's a very masculine system by design! It was never meant for women to work in. I don't know how practical it is to come up with an entirely new way of survival from scratch. You'd also have to throw all of Spiral Dynamics out the window if we're starting from scratch, because this is the way the stages evolved. Secondly, equality was never on the table to begin with. Men and women are fundamentally different with different niches in the system. 'Equality' is a Stage Orange/Green idealization which nobody ever really wanted! Even equality of opportunity is not something we really want. Men want the best possible opportunities for their niche while women want the same for their niche. There's a difference between equality and fairness. We care a lot more about fairness than equality. Our niches happen to overlap a lot in today's day and age, doesn't mean we're 'equal'. A part of women's unique niche in the system is the ability to get pregnant and have babies. The survival of the whole species literally depends on this ability of women! The original religious prophets waaayy back when saw this and designed the system accordingly. Now of course there's outdated elements to it, but they were visionaries nonetheless who had their basics down! We really need to get in touch with our masculinity/femininity (both men and women have masculinity and femininity) to clear up these confusions! I have a feeling that the way it'll actually play out is that the more conscious our society gets, the more this current system will get reformed to accommodate for the authentic niches of everyone.

An important thing to note is that if this system crumbles and goes down because of its dysfunctions, the new system that'll be constructed, will be a new patriarchy! Only a more conscious one, in which women get to fully express their femininity. It's a good idea to have a vision for a new system and head in its direction if everyone has so many problems with this one. It's important to note that the patriarchy has been pretty successful in physically surviving the human species for thousands upon thousands of years. All the dysfunctions in it are only because of lack of consciousness. Once those get resolved, I can see it working!

Thank you for seeing this! Access to feminine power is right behind seeing this pattern collectively. We really need women to access their femininity and accept it. (same for men with masculinity!) @Leo Gura It's very important that we don't get carried away in the riptide of narratives and see what's really going on. Of course feminism has been helpful in battling oppression of women, but we gotta save our asses when they come for revenge! Another important thing we need to see about feminism today is that they're all about 'Women in the workforce, glass ceiling, wage gap' etc. but they don't really care about the issues of women on the ground-level. It's all about women in power! I personally haven't seen a feminist campaign for paid maternity-leave/better healthcare for moms. The reason is, feminists promote what they're paid to promote. Feminists get corporate sponsorship to encourage more women to enter the work-force, STEM fields, law, etc! Corporations sponsor this to drive down the cost of labour, because now there's men and women working, whereas before it was mostly men. Now I'm not against allowing women to work, but this is a big point to note. In short, it's a big political game which doesn't have a lot to do with day-to-day lives. Corporate lobbying and the media, of course, is a huge part of this brainwashing. It's not all bad, but it's not as Stage-Green noble-intentioned as one might expect.

@Eph75 Everything I told you is based on direct experience! It's an everyday thing for me where I wait for the universe to reflect to me the ways in which I'm resisting what I want, then I do the inner work to resolve those conflicts. It's compounded my levels of inner peace to unimaginable levels. Also, it's helped me gain significant clarity on my vision for the future. Part of the reason I found spirituality was being lost in my life. Also, it's helped me understand relationships in incredible depths, i.e. I'm able to see how my internal aspects reflect externally as people and it helps raise the consciousness of my relationships! Manifestation literally is magical, as Leo says! No mechanism to it, it's just spontaneous! Another way of interpreting LoA is that the whole universe is a creation of your Infinite Mind, i.e. you are the God creating your reality.

Here's how it works : We're all one on an emotional level. You can verify this with spiritual practices, emotional consciousness, etc. Desire basically is forward movement, i.e. when you want something you naturally gravitate towards it. The reason for this is complicated. In short, you, as an unconscious ego, suffer inherently and you desire the opposite experience of your suffering, so you move towards it. The universe, which is a mirror reflection of you, reflects to you what you want/the truth of who you are in the most optimal way possible. Now as humans, we live in the 3D paradigm because our senses show us a 3D reality. That's why, we're oblivious to all of this happening, especially if we're unconscious. This gets in the way of direct manifestation of what we want, also there's all sorts of internal resistance, confusion and unsurity of what we want. Even that stuff manifests externally, so in practice, we manifest a weird mix of what we believe, what we want, who we are, etc. including all the limiting beliefs, etc. It basically is a mirror of who you are. That's why inner work is so powerful! The point of all of this is to lead the ego to the Truth of what it is, that's why the mirror!

Our minds have become more and more scientific over time, i.e. we don't have miracles/magic happening in today's day and age. That's why, if you just imagine something, if it's not according to the laws of the physical/3D world, it won't manifest! Those parts of you which are scientific/3D in level of consciousness will resist it. This is why action matters.

@Eph75 Are you saying all of this after you have the relationships/social life you want? Cuz that's not the case for a lot of people who enter spirituality, i.e. a lot of people use meditation as a crutch/escape hatch from life. This doesn't make complete sense from a Law of Attraction perspective, i.e. on a vibrational level, what we genuinely want manifests immediately. When it's not a genuine desire, though (and we can delude ourselves that we want something when we really don't) then what'll get reflected is the opposite of what we're asking for. What you're probably saying is that when we question our desires, we'll be able to separate the authentic ones from the fake ones, and that seeing that the fake ones were fake will be a relief for us. Although when it really is a genuine desire, you'll not be able to let it go. You'll have to go get what you want and fulfill your desire before you even realize that it didn't end your suffering! Once you have that realization, and you're just suffering with no answer/no particular desire, then it's time for self-enquiry/enlightenment work/surrendering to your death. The cycle works in this specific order. I've verified it multiple times through personal experience. If you mess up the order, it could cause problems like using meditation to escape the reality of what you want, and your limiting beliefs around your ability to get what you want. Sounds like an infinitely peaceful experience!

Technically you don't even need to be physically alive, i.e. you don't need food! It's all in your mind, physically dying is no problem cuz death is the best thing that could happen to you anyways! It's okay to physically die, heck everyone dies!! Death is an illusion so the whole survival thing is irrational anyways. 'Needs' are an illusion from absolute perspective, so it really is all in your mind! I personally have tapped into experiences where I saw that eating food was a way of avoiding an emotional state of starvation/deprivation and that if I sat with it long enough, either I'd be dead or I'd not need food anymore. However from a human perspective, physical AND emotional needs are a reality. Feel free to test out being alone the rest of your life for yourself! Feel free to starve yourself for physical touch for a decade. I challenge you to overcome the suffering that causes you only by meditating/doing self-enquiry!

That's a possibility. For me (and for a lot of other ex-workaholics like me) we were led towards people and relationships by our insights! Part of the reason I keep harping on this is that it isn't common knowledge that we have emotional needs. Knowing this could mean the difference between having a lonely, neurotic, mutually exploitative relationship and having a conscious, authentic relationship!

You just took the words out of my soul! People here think that meditating a lot is somehow going to fix their relationship problems. What they're missing is that they have emotional needs which meditation is simply not gonna meet! Now enlightenment can be useful, i.e. it's useful to resolve conflicts with someone else when you see them as a part of yourself. However, it can also be used as a coping mechanism for unmet emotional needs. Human beings have emotional needs and our cultures don't get this yet. We'd be living a lot more communally and inter-dependently if we got this as a species! Stage Orange really glorifies independence and fundamentally is scared of relationships, so it doesn't want to admit that we're emotionally dependent on each other as human beings.

You are a human being who has emotional needs. Neediness is not a weakness, in fact having emotional needs is a reality of being human. Our Stage Orange societies don't want to admit this, so if you want a real relationship, you're gonna have to go against the grain. If you factor these things in your inner work, things may look a lot scarier than they look now. HTH!

Hey everyone! So I was tapping into the consciousness of various groups of the manosphere like MGTOW, PUA, etc. (Nothing excites me more than studying collective ego dynamics :D) and I have an interesting find. I saw a common thread between Incels and PUAs, which is that both those groups haze the shit out of their members! A sense of belonging is created out of shaming each other and pulling each other's self-esteem down. This sense of belonging is the glue that keeps the groups together. Incels use well-known shaming tactics like berating each other's looks, berating women, etc. PUAs, however, use hazing tactics like approaching tons of women to desensitize themselves to the pain of rejection and approach-anxiety! I haven't seen PUAs look deeply into the reasons for these emotional responses, instead they're just bulldozed. Also, there's a fair bit of criticism of each other's looks, personality, shyness/stand-offishness, questioning the PUA paradigm, etc. There's this collective narrative of 'We're not good with women and I'm gonna prove this to you'. Incels take this rationale to 'I'm not good with women and there's nothing to be done about it', while PUAs take this to 'I'm not good with women, but I can improve myself and get good despite that'. While that may seem empowering, what I found is that the belief still comes from 'I'm not good with women' so their attempts at getting good are neurotic. PUAs justify this by saying 'If I don't take action NOW, NOW, NOW, then my only option is to take the black pill cuz taking action is all I got!' If you're familiar with Parts Work, Incel and PUA are 2 protector aspects for the same vulnerable aspect of self. The vulnerable self is one which believes that it's a dog-eat-dog world, the Universe is against me and I have to beat the universe to get what I want. What they fundamentally miss is that the universe is actually doing its best to give them what they want! #LawOfAttraction What are your thoughts on this? I know I'm all over the place writing this.

A corollary to Law of Attraction is that whatever you resist persists. It doesn't work only for the good stuff, i.e. what you want, it also works for the bad stuff, i.e. what you 'don't want'! As far as I can see, it's not just a cute idea, it's frickin serious what could happen if you neglect it. Yupp! They weren't really concerned about understanding what causes someone to run over people in a van. I don't like when that happens either. It shows a lack of responsibility for evil in the world, which only makes the society more dangerous. I completely understand where you're coming from. I won't debate you on this!

@ltp It's important for you to look into why you're attracted to her, i.e. what exactly do you like about her. When you're attracted to someone who's incompatible, more often than not you attract someone who mirrors an aspect of you which you're suppressing. If you're able to integrate the aspect of you which is her, chances are you'll not be attracted to her anymore.

Of course I'll gladly accept free money! Having said that, most men will NOT thrive in a situation where they're getting provided for! In fact, if he doesn't become financially independent, he'll literally rot within the confines of the comfort zone of getting provided for. If there's nothing to do in his life, a guy will not have a sense of direction/purpose which is pretty depressing. A chaotic situation is better than a static comfort zone for a guy, cuz there's things to do in a chaotic situation and guys are in their element in a chaotic situation. Feel free to look at the empty lives of guys who are trust-fund babies! It's important to note that this isn't the case for most women, i.e. women generally get frightened and slip into terror/anxiety in a chaotic situation. However, in a peaceful/safe situation, they'll just be able to flow and create better when they don't have the pressure of providing on them. (All of this is from my own experience) In my opinion this is a failure of men. It's not fun, as a guy, to tell a woman that I'll not be able to provide for her! In my opinion, it's a failing of our society that women have to take on the pressure of providing. Generally, women have to suppress their femininity (It doesn't have to be this way in all cases, it's true in most cases) and be in the masculine in order to take on the pressure. I'm not against the society allowing women to work (which by the way is a fairly recent occurrence), but in the healthiest and happiest relationships, the man is mostly the provider. I'm not saying that becoming dependent on any random guy will solve all your problems, it's gotta be emotionally safe and authentic.

I used that verbiage cuz in the traditional patriarchy, women aren't allowed to work! This is a system by men for men originally, and women don't get to work if men don't allow it traditionally speaking. What I mean is that I'm not "against letting women work", as I've heard people the age of my grandpa say. Damn I realized how seriously triggering this could be after I wrote it out! But seriously though, I'm thinking about if there was a feminist movement not longer than 500 years ago, the king or whoever would crush it completely with violence. Contemporary women have a pretty weird relationship with patriarchy now that I think about it. I mean, yeah the system today is all for giving women equal rights, but these equal rights have been given to women because men approved of them not longer than 200 years ago. These are the equal rights that were hard-won by the feminist movement. This is what I mean when I refer to 'patriarchial oppression of women'. It still goes on in various parts of the world. I'm not trying to belittle women here, I'm just stating the reality of how human survival has worked and is working under the patriarchy. There never was a chance of equality and there never will be (unless we're talking about equal rights under a patriarchial system). The power of women, once again, isn't trying to beat men at their strengths, but it's to own their unique role in this world and get in touch with their own feminine essence.

That is so true!

@DrewNows Thanks for asking! Alright so I was this Stage Orange type grad student who was all about climbing the university hierarchy, doing hard-nosed research and working all the time. I achieved everything that I wanted to achieve. Once that happened, I started to feel very lonely and I discovered a lot of unmet emotional needs. It's just then that I started stumbling upon the New Age, people like Infinite Waters, Teal Swan (I think she's very very evolved though), etc. I really started to tap into my emotions. What I discovered was that I was depressed and on the brink of suicide! Had I not tapped into my emotions, I'd have been in real danger of self-harm. So my emotional healing took a front seat to my career and related decisions. From the outside it looks like a healing crisis, i.e. I'm not doing anything atm and I had to move back with my mom. Right now I'm living with her and I'm doing my best to find my life purpose. Leo's course is helping me though! I discovered a lot of unconscious patterns, a whole new realm of emotional consciousness and it's been an epic roller-coaster ride!

I've been raised by a single mother who was an 'independent woman who don't need no man'. I lacked a father growing up, or moreover, I lacked seeing my mom having a providing partner so that she could free herself from the responsibility of providing. Providing is not a pressure that most women want. I've seen my mom suffer first hand cuz of not having a partner! Most women thrive when they have an emotionally safe partner who's willing to take care of them and who makes them feel safe and secure physically. I'm not against letting women work, but once women go through the whole independence phase, mostly they choose not to and instead have a partner provide for them. (Stage Orange to Stage Green if you may) I've come to my 'narrative' after years of shadow work, tapping into the consciousness of feminists, conservatives, etc. (which is the ultimate form of empathy) and resolving my shadows because of the feminist narratives. If you raise boys with the 'toxic masculinity' narrative, they grow up to really hate themselves as men. You'll know when you tap into the consciousness of these groups and have a look at the emotional dynamics that go on between them and 'the patriarchy'. Now of course they have their reasons, but the abuses their sons go through cannot be justified by those reasons.

What do you mean? I don't get it.

Congrats! Isn't relevant to what I'm saying though. It's not men having my attitude that started feminism, it's oppression on a legal, systemic and social level. I'm not talking about oppressing women at all!

There's a difference between masculinity vs femininity and male vs female. Leadership is a masculine thing. Men and women have masculinity in them. If a woman wants to lead, she needs to tap into her masculinity! It can get tiring for a woman to just be in her masculine without also embodying her femininity, cuz her physical embodiment is feminine. This isn't me deciding anything. Feel free to study the qualities of masculinity vs femininity. A company's primary commitment is to be productive. You can be an alpha male type of guy who calls the shots, and still be compassionate and empathetic! The dysfunctions that you experienced weren't really cuz he was a good boss (in the sense that he got shit done by his employees), they were cuz he was treating his employees like cogs in a machine. Confidence, assertiveness, decisiveness are absolutely necessary qualities to lead! Being empathetic and compassionate on top of that then helps you to be a leader who cares about the people rather than only himself. Unfortunately I'm not at CU anymore! I had a healing crisis and had to drop out. I've met lots of new-age spiritual people in Boulder, Denver that whole area. I grew a lot there!