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@Milos Uzelac @Preety_India @GodDesireOnlyLove Thanks for your comments! Out of curiosity, what value do you think I can offer with my writing? What value do you receive from it? I need some reflection on that! Tbh I don't quite know about Coral.

Leadership styles on the spiral stages: 1. Blue: Authoritarian leadership who just gives orders. Everyone is hyper-identified with their role in the system, worships the authority commanding them and is very very concerned with ‘doing their job right’. People are concerned with doing the duty of the position they occupy in the system and not really think too much about a bigger picture. If someone messes up, there will be a massive blame-game. If a person below messes up, they’ll be punished by the authority above accordingly and if a person above messes up, there will be protests and demands to hold people above accountable for not doing their duty well. Differences between Blue vs Orange – At Blue, the system isn’t really goal-oriented or productivity oriented, it’s just a system of collective material survival like the DMV, court system, army/police, etc. There’s just duties to be done/rules to be followed whereas in Orange, there’s more emphasis on teamwork and collective goal-oriented thinking. 2. Orange: Alpha-male dominating, ambitious leadership that’s all about productivity. The system has a collective goal which is typically a personal goal of the leader, and recruitments of people happen according to skill, capability and fire to achieve. The organization values qualities like efficiency in productivity, time-management, teamwork, ability to strategize, mental creativity and rational mind skills. Wage-slavery is a pretty common situation in such organizations, with the boss not really caring about the fact that the employee feels like a wage-slave. Again, not much thought being put into the bigger picture, except that we now refer to the collective as a ‘team focused on a common goal’ so there’s a sense of collective goal-orientedness. Examples are big corporations which are all about making profits. Internal culture of the organization would be full of entertainment, materialism, partying, etc. Differences between Orange vs Green – At Orange the organization is narcissistic and is concerned only about it’s own individual material gain. This is reflective of the leader, who treats everyone as a cog in the machine they created for achievement of their own goals. At Green though, the system is set up to contribute value to the world. The organization here doesn’t act like a narcissist, it acts in a socially, environmentally responsible manner. 3. Green: Compassionate leader who, as part of their life purpose, creates the organization to contribute something meaningful to society. The system has a collective goal, but this time it’s not self-centred, it’s to create social change that would raise the consciousness of humanity. Recruitment would happen based not only on skills and capability, there will also be an evaluation of whether the individual’s life purpose aligns with working at the organization or not! (I’ve been rejected at Green organizations because my life purpose didn’t align with working there!) Very relationship-oriented organization with an internal culture that has Stage Green values. Points about this: If you want to create a Stage Green organization or be a Stage Green leader, you'll need elements of the lower stages too. For example, company policies/ethics rules in companies are Blue systems in a primarily Orange organization. In a Green organization, for it to really work, you'll need Blue and Orange systems with likewise leadership. Some dysfunctional Green organizations may try to do away entirely with hierarchy, which doesn't practically work as you need a leader who takes the initiative, gives orders and gets things going. You can have the best systems in place, but they do their job only if they have a leader. The leader is the life-blood of the system, the one who creates and directs the flow of energy in the organization. You can be a Stage Turquoise person in general and have a Stage Blue leadership style! For example, Sadhguru. Leadership is a very specific relationship quality and it could have nothing to do with your overall stage on the spiral. I don't know what leadership would look like at Tier 2, cuz as far as I know, Tier 2 is about being whereas leadership is a worldly thing. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think that all collective activity can be summed up into Tier 1, whereas Tier 2 is more of the state of the individual. I don't know of whole organizations on Tier 2 tbh cuz Tier 2 individuals are pretty rare. I don't know what Tier 2 leadership style would look like. As far as I can see, every individual Tier 2 mind is so unique, that it would be difficult to draw trends in leadership styles at those stages. Also, it would be important for an organization to be very pragmatic in how it wants to manage relationships between roles, and keep relationship definitions simple so that they're manageable and not too complicated. Tier 1 does a good enough job at that for the time being. Feel free to add your analysis on this!

When I met hippies for the first time. I loved their presence so much that my rationalist paradigm started to crumble! That's when I really started to question the world.

This isn't true. The reality is, good professional/financial relationships is the key to success.

Another point to this : This is linked with the societal definition of a 'real man'. This definition is 'A man is defined by what he does, not who he is. If you work hard, you're a hard-working, good, honest man. If you don't work hard and lazily sit around, you're an incompetent man-child!' The reason for having this definition is that traditional society values hard-working, productive, morally honest men, but doesn't really have the money to pay them. So, they link it to approval/moral standing. Now of course, our society has been built by men for men, that's why the norm. Also, money is linked to greed, like 'The most moral thing to do is to humbly work according to what your authority says and not ask for raises, not be greedy for money. Chasing money is a corruption of the mind!'

Hey Leo! Very interesting awakening experiences. I have something relevant to share with you about your void sucking you in experience. I was in a depressed, suicidal state in early 2019. It felt like I was going to die. That's when I got the bright idea of doing self-enquiry. As I did self-enquiry, I started to have instant awakening experiences, ego-death experiences. This was a 2-3 month period of my life when I was watching your enlightenment videos. I had a lot of experiences where I was called to completely surrender to immediate experiences of suffering and clinging to my body. There was a distinct set of experiences where I felt a void in my chest, that was sucking my soul in. I knew that jumping into that void could mean my death. I jumped anyway. Turns out, instead of dying I awakened some more! There was a deeper layer of jumping into the void. I did it again. Same thing. A good metaphor would be the movie Inception where they wake up from the layers of dreams, dying in their dream and waking up to a new layer. Then, after 3-4 layers of this, as I was preparing to make the next jump, suddenly I get called to stop doing that. The reason I get, is that self-enquiry ceased to be the most effective tool for my awakening! The intuitive message was 'You are connected to the universe. Universally speaking, following your intuition would be the surefire quickest most efficient way for you to awaken, even more than self-enquiry! You could be using self-enquiry to cope with the dysfunction of your life. The way for you to awaken further is to live your life.' That's when I decided to commit to life. If I were your guru, maybe I'd tell you to take your jump into the void (Now I'm not your guru so don't hold this against me!). Maybe you were called to surrender your body to Infinite Love. Now there's a big assumption our mind likes to make, is that if we surrender our body we will die. The reality is, you don't know this until you make the jump. Maybe you'll die, maybe you won't. But if this is what you're Universally called to do and you don't do it, my experience says that the void will continue to haunt you. You'll get another opportunity to jump. If you don't, you'll get another opportunity. This will keep happening until you do it! Curious to hear your perspective on this! Edit : I am NOT telling you to kill yourself. I am going by what you said in the video, that you felt called to surrender completely to Infinite Love.

I don't particularly have examples of such a person, but if I were to imagine/visualize someone, this is how they'd be : They'd have an integrative holistic perspective which takes all governed perspectives into account. They'd have an understanding of how collective ego works, how to create lasting social change. This they'd have by educating themselves on it by experience, trial and error. It's a very detailed and nuanced area where endless research can be done. They'd be doing pioneering work in this area. They'd be a competent leader. Only then will they be able to take all perspectives into account. A leader has to be in control of the narrative (by definition) but a Tier 2 leader's narrative would be nuanced and elaborate enough to include the perspectives of the governed. For this, the governed would have to be vulnerable and trusting enough of the leader. They'd be driven by contribution to the masses as opposed to pure selfish gain. Their eyes would open to the pros and cons of the current system, pros and cons of the next system. This would help them make informed, nuanced, complex decisions when it comes to creating social change and heading millions of people towards further evolution. Feel free to add to these points!

We don't need con-artists to fool the government/law-enforcement for corruption to happen! It's all out in the open and everyone's chill about it. Indian politics is partly Stage Red because of this. It's more about power-worshipping than actually bringing the big-wigs to justice. I get what you're saying though. Having him in America can be pretty regressive.

Oh you really think India hasn't had Stage Red leaders?! There are people here who'll leave Trump in the fucking dust when it comes to Stage Red rhetoric . We're extremely lucky in the past few years to have a Blue/Orange leader in Modi. India didn't have an international face before that! I don't know what happens once he's gone tbh.

I seriously hope this happens fast, i.e. in my lifetime! India has it's own religious reasons to worry about COVID spread.

I just realized something : Our rational minds are hardwired to chase material success in some way, shape or form. The rational minds of each and every one of us measures success in some sort of metric like money, status, fame, physical strength, etc. This is what my rational mind equates to success : Solving technically difficult problems, i.e. the solutions to them would count as material success. The more dots I connect, the more I realize that this is what my rational mind has been doing my whole life. What is it for you?

Ah okay. There's a semantic gap. You're talking about rationalism, which is a materialistic science-based Darwinian ideology. I'm talking about the rational mind which is hardwired into humans. I respect that. You may have to switch cultures to find like-minded people though. It can be very rewarding if you're able to do that!

My point here is that individual success/achievement is a much broader notion than material success, i.e. money, status, fame, physical strength, etc. Each individual's rational mind defines success differently. For example, your rational mind may define success as achieving mental clarity. For me, it's problem-solving. For someone else, it could be getting good at carpentry and creating artistic furniture. For someone else, it could be social climbing and getting the biggest contacts. Technically speaking, the rational mind has nothing to do with having a higher calling/life purpose. It's all about pragmatism, mental creativity, goal-oriented thinking, strategizing, analysis, critical thinking, getting better with practice, acquiring strength/power, moving forward. Now, you can use this in a selfish, egotistical, narcissistic, hedonistic manner such that all you care about is personal achievement and winning. Or, you could also awaken to the reality that winning isn't everything, which is where your quest for a life purpose begins! This is where all your strength/skills can be repurposed and redirected. Having said that, I still believe that humans are hardwired to seek more strength, success, achievement. The reason is that we have egos, which are insatiable by definition. Your quest for a life purpose will involve a different kind of enquiry, like what are your highest values, what kind of life do you want, what do you want to contribute to society, what kind of professional relationships do you want, etc. This is more of a vulnerable, heart-centered endeavor. Your rational mind will still be there with its tools and strengths, waiting to be repurposed! Your rational mind will have unique strengths/priorities. According to that, you will have your own pragmatic ideas/insights relative to your goals. What does your rational mind prioritize?

The problem with porn is objectification. If there's objectification going on, it primes men to not respect women. This is a very subtle energetic thing where if you feel the dynamic, you'll realize whether it's an objectifying dynamic or not. A woman can be fully nude and come across as sexually empowered and respectable. Likewise, she can be fully covered and come across as a sexual object. This is relative to the specifics of the situation like her own attitude towards sexuality in general, the culture of the country, etc. Being objectified is a dangerous situation for a woman as it can attract men who don't respect you.

That's not what I mean! The rational mind is not about expanding love, it's about material, tangible success/achievement/productivity. Growing your capacity to love is more of an intuitive thing which happens when your consciousness expands.

That's exactly what he'd want you to think! He is very good at saying just whatever gets him power and support from the masses. He will attack you if that triggers a situation in which the collective is for him against you. He'll lionize you if that makes the collective idolize you. He is just purely opportunistic when it comes to power-grabbing and he has no sense of ethics. He lacks strategic thinking and he'll just give an ego reaction if he's attacked. He's saying he's looking out for America's survival cuz that's what gets him the support of conservatives! Doesn't matter what he actually does.

At Stage Blue, I understand that hard work is considered virtuous and it's important just to survive. At Stage Orange, I understand that in a competitive world, you have to defend your ass against competitors trying to take away your lunch. So it takes a lot of hard work to be the best in the field. Enter Stage Green, does this change? Is it possible to have a life purpose in which you aren't working hard cuz you're paranoid about survival? I'll give you an example. I'll tell you how I buy consumer goods. If I see something I really really like, subconsciously my decision to buy it has already been made. If it's really expensive, I'll hem and haw a little about whether I want to spend the money, but buy it I will! For example, say a watch. I'll be really drawn to a specific watch, even though there's similar watches 'competing' with it alongside. If you ask me to compare the watches, I'll say 'All of them are good watches.' But I'll spend my money on only a specific watch. The point I'm making here is that I connected with the taste of the specific designer of the watch I bought, but it didn't happen with the other watches. It's the relationship between me (the consumer) and the watch company (the seller) that really drove home the sale! There was no competition there on an energetic level, even though there may have been physically speaking. You can say that the other watch companies failed, and the company of the watch I bought succeeded in the competition. But maybe if you look at it energetically more closely, you'll see that I didn't fit their bill when it comes to their target consumer whereas I fit the bill of the company whose watch I bought. When it comes to picturing your ideal consumer and trying to connect with their need you're trying to meet, that's not necessarily hard work. That involves intuition, genuinely caring about meeting their need and putting in the work to do so. In fact, if you work too hard, maybe you'll miss important details like this! This discussion has gone into territory that doesn't necessarily belong in this sub-forum. Feel free to move it to the right one.

Ah okay. I found a semantic gap. When I asked the original question, my definition of hard work was : grind-work you don't want to do but do anyways cuz you 'have to'. When you say hard work you mean long hours of work. This I'd be on the same page with.

Empirically, maybe what you're saying is true. Technically though, I'd argue with this. My claim here is that it doesn't technically matter how hard you work. Technically speaking, Success=making the sale. You make one big sale/deal, you could be all set! Making that sale though would require you to take ownership of the professional relationship and really understand what the other party needs from you, and have a good professional relationship. What do you think? Where would hard work fit into this model?

Out of curiosity, is this what you call a non-duality war?

Your in-depth systemic analysis on the whole COVID situation would be much appreciated!

A lot of animals have a play impulse, which is a survival impulse. This includes humans. Humans have a biological emotional need to play together, whether it's sports, games or sex! Pleasure-seeking is also an animal survival impulse.

The absolute self you're wanting to identify with doesn't have needs, so there's no lack there. But, the body does have needs and you will feel the lack physically! So you're both right and wrong. You will realize that you don't control your body, that you don't really own your body. This won't make needs of the body go away, and it also won't mean that the body isn't part of you anymore. Maybe you're lacking integration of duality in your non-duality. That's a lot of work. Good luck with that!

This precisely is what I wouldn't agree with. I'd suggest you meditate on how desire actually works, how egoic needs work and actually observe the dynamics that happen in your body.