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Show me the full interview. I'll believe you.

For sure it isn't. The morality can get archaic and barbaric though. For example, today's conservatives believe very strongly in building the American military, like it's a good thing. This wasn't the case when America was gaining independence. Then, building an army of the United States was the progressive thing to do. The conservative thing was to reserve the autonomy of states and keep them separate. I can imagine all states being scared of losing their autonomy to the whole. It was a progressive step to build a US army then and it is a progressive step to cut funding from the US army today. But the morality changed.

Makes sense. You do want to have a policing system that punishes behavior that's unacceptable. I don't particularly have an issue if you want to do this. I personally don't want to do the shaming and ridiculing thing. That's my personal preference. The reason is as follows: today's progressive is tomorrow's conservative. So, if I get attached to the morality of today's progressivism, it will become archaic and barbaric tomorrow. Then, I'll be the conservative one defending the old morality and I'll be the one facing the music! As depressing as it sounds, we will see this effect happen. There definitely is a place in the movement for people who believe in the progressive morality. Nothing against them. As long as they aren't being the useful idiots of people whose intentions they don't know, should be fine!

Are you sure this won't come back to bite you in the ass? It doesn't feel like a conscious strategy that maximises consciousness and love. I have a feeling that the election of Trump is a result of the failure of a shaming and marginalisation strategy on the part of progressives. This will cause them to contract into their perspective and get defensive. There will be surface-level political correctness, but there won't be a deep sense of belief in your vision for the future. Will this be good for your cause long-term? I'm aware that most progressives will disagree with me on this issue. Only time will show the results of the different strategies!

If they have power, it's because people are listening to them. That's because they look like whiners to Green, but really they have the power of the homeostasis of the status-quo with them. That's where their power lies in fact, in guarding the status-quo. Their power also lies in the fact that they understand their audience better than you, that's why they're getting the attention you aren't. As progressives who care about creating the change we want, we have one option, that is to compete with these powerful conservatives and beat them at their own game. That means competing for their audience and selling them a progressive ideology that really gives them hope for the future. For this we'll have to understand the psychology and ego-needs of their audience and figure out a better way to cater to them than the current ones. If they have a positive motivation to get on board, this will beat the negative, fear-based motivations that conservatives are playing off of. This is where stopping the demonization comes in. We need to understand that the audience of these poweful conservatives is giving them the power, which means the audience has its own power. We need to have respect for this power, cease to demonize them and actually care about them. Then you come up with progressive ideas to help them. When the public happily gets on board with what you're selling them, powerful shifts can happen!

Oh yeah for sure. I'm not advocating for 100% voluntary compliance. There's gonna be conservatives who will conform to whatever is there. Yeah they'll whine and complain, but no big deal. If you ask them whether it's voluntary compliance, they'll say no. But, because they're unaware of how they're programmed to comply with authority, they won't see how it is in fact voluntary. Whiners and complainers on either side don't count. Those perspectives are passive and powerless anyways and will not really give you insight on what to do, or they won't really be able to resist. The real resistance you'll face is from people who know what they're talking about and have good reasons to resist you. That's when you'll fail to create the change you want. That's when you'll need to either increase your level of empowerment, or you'll have to get them on board and sell them the change. If you're successful in creating the change you want, that's indication enough that it's right for society.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/23/bill-gates-turns-10-billion-into-200-billion-worth-of-economic-benefit.html I mean, I'm not judging his hustle. He wants to make that bag.

Good one. I'll be back with the quote.

No conspiracy theories. Let's respect Leo's forum. Observing who benefits from saying what isn't a conspiracy theory, it's seeing things for what they are. Let's not make conspiratorial claims, instead let's do an honest enquiry.

Selling vaccines and immunisation certificates that prohibit you from doing anything if yo aren't vaccinated. That's his plan, by his own admission. Don't deny that.

Will he profit from this or not? Yes or no?

If you were in his shoes, yes you'd be ecstatic. How do you know what he wants and doesn't want? As far as me being a conspiracy theorist goes, show me where I made a conspiratorial claim. Quote the post.

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So the most conscious positions are the ones in which you're mentally enslaved to what they say you should do? Mental enslavement isn't very conscious in my book. Again, no whining, you can choose to stop doing that whenever you want. He stands to benefit from this. No conspiratorial claims, just an observation that he stands to benefit.

@Extreme Z7 LOL. Do you really think they wouldn't do the work to dissect that stuff if their livelihood depended on it?

They're the ones who understand how large-scale operations like testing and modelling work. We have 3 months of lockdown behind us. We have the results of covid in front of us. Their models say that the percentage of deaths isn't as high as predicted. Always ask the question : who benefits from saying this thing? Business leaders are critically looking at the stats because they stand to lose their businesses if they don't. But epidemiologists stand to benefit from reporting higher predictions than actually happen! Pharma companies stand to benefit.

Scientists, academics, leaders, experts don't really have to know much about the economy and how it runs. As far as business leaders go, they're starting to say that we should care more about the economy. They're questioning the stats put out by the scientists and experts, because the deaths have been far lower than anticipated. Business leaders are saying we should worry more about unemployment because more people will die of it.

Oh yeah? What if another virus, say ebola comes up? They're bringing up more viruses. Do you have a magic wand that you'll spin and boom! The economy recovered?

According to you. In the short term. Long term, the economy is gone. Good luck with that. Also, you're making a false equivalency between talking about a problem with the intention of solving it, and whining. I never said covid doesn't exist. No conspiracy theories. I'm debating the way it's being handled.

Wait... weren't we discussing how to survive best and collectively have the highest quality life here? Survival isn't even a concern from a nondual perspective. Let's not bypass the issue of living a life by saying 'What life? There's no such thing as a life.'

Then tell me - What if the lock down never ends? What if the economy never reopens? How does this help the community's survival? The way I see it, the world is being put in a lose-lose here. One option is the passive, weak, scared one in which you follow the lockdown and sit tight holding onto everything you've got. The other one is the active one in which you move forward and question everything. You do risk getting the covid in this one but you have a life. Would you want to live an enslaved life in which you're locked down, in fear of the next virus or whatever that's gonna hit you? Is that what you want for yourself and the world? What guarantee do you have that another virus won't come and terrorise you more? Passivity is worse than death, it's living death. By supporting this, you're committing to passivity.

Precisely! What we have to understand as progressives is that most people will be PC and say they're pro-diversity to your face, but really they aren't pro-diversity. They have a shadow that wants a segregated community where they have their culture, customs, traditions, etc. So yeah, they will perceive diversity as a threat to the survival of their community. I can perfectly understand that. Diversity cannot be preached to them, it's gonna have to be sold to them. You'll have to convince such people that diversity benefits them. And there is the possibility that they never see that you're right, even IF you are. (which is a huge 'if' btw) For this, you'll have to include them too! You'll have to stop demonizing them. You'll have to be willing to admit to things that don't benefit them and own up to them. You'll have to make a genuine effort to include them. You'll have to be open to possibilities of your ideas not actually taking society forward, but actually backward, which is why they could be resisting you. Imagine this : What if what you're defining as progress isn't actually progress, but it's actually moving us back? The conservatives will be able to help you see that if it's true. They'll say stuff like 'Yeah this was tried back in my day. Didn't work for these reasons.' You'll have to be willing to consider this possibility and restructure your ideas to actually make progress. This is where your key to true progress lies. Once you have them on your side, there's nothing stopping you from having all the progress you want. I'm telling you Green people this stuff because you're the side that's more conscious. It's always the responsibility of the side that's more conscious/progressive to build a bridge to higher consciousness for the side that's unconscious.

Somebody tell me what this is. Is this true? Or is this laden with conservative projections? Did they really say 'undo your whiteness'?

@Leo Gura, @Zak is asking you : ARE YOU A CULT LEADER?! The forum wants to know!! Not the best question to ask on here.

Interesting idea. I don't know of many lower-ranked employees who would like to share the loss margins if the higher-ups mess up though. Would this require them to invest in the stocks of their company too? It will take immense levels of trust between people. It could work. I'd say it's worth a shot.