The Lucid Dreamer

After death, you will spend an eternity in Infinite Love and unity as the Godhead. But because God loves infinitely, it will always collapse into the world of form to go through the drudgeries of limitation. However, I believe that somewhere in the Infinite sea of incarnations, there is a life where whatever species or collection of beings you are a part of has created a “heaven” for themselves where disease and aging have basically been eradicated and you may be able to live in relatively great peace, love and profundity for hundreds of thousands/millions/maybe even billions of years, or until the physics of the universe you are living in eventually makes it impossible to persist any longer. But no matter what, you will eventually have to die and return to the Godhead, spend an eternity as Perfect Love, and then collapse back into form. Of course, this is not to say that in this hypothetical “heaven” there wouldn’t be any problems or suffering. I don’t think it’s possible to exist in the world of form without problems of some kind, but I think it’s possible for a species to advance to a degree that the problems and suffering they have to deal with generally is relatively minuscule compared to the problems and suffering we have to deal with now, the same way that the problems we have today are much much less than the problems and suffering of our ancestors even just 200 years ago. As a species we are always in the process of trying to make our existence longer, easier and more beautiful, and as long as we don’t destroy ourselves at some point(which seems... likely), I don’t see why that trend should cease. If we keep advancing, who the hell knows how amazing our existence could get? But of course, as far as your ego is concerned, this is the only life you get, so if you want a beautiful and profound existence with less or no suffering in this life, do everything you can to awaken while you still have the time.

You’re right, the visuals can be distracting if all you’re trying to do is awaken. However, I’ve made it my mission to explore everything consciousness is capable of, and N,N,DMT is quite useful for that. I’m also very interested in inter-dimensional communication.

@Leo Gura However, I just recently managed to get a hold of some 5-MeO(FINALLY!!!!), which I am definitely planning on plugging. Hope it arrives soon. And yes, I was planning on referring to this video once my 5-Meo arrives.

@Leo Gura Doesn’t work for N,N,DMT too well unfortunately. Could use harmalas but, I’m on medication that makes that pretty risky.

@Leo Gura I hear you. I don’t like vaping things either, especially when it takes several hits and several seconds of holding your breath to get a breakthrough dose. I have a strange breathing problem where I almost constantly feel like I’m suffocating and have the constant urge to take a deep breath, exacerbated by anxiety(Not pulmonary; the doctor said it’s most likely a nerve injury in neck/upper vertebrae with a also a psychological element) so having to hold my breath for several seconds while coming up on something as intense as DMT is very very difficult. I wish you could just go to a psychedelic clinic to get it injected intravenously. *sigh* Maybe someday.

You might, if you saw your foot as a separate entity that is somehow a threat to your survival. Which, hey, sometimes your own foot can be a threat to your survival.

@Member Awakening transcends pragmatism. The purpose is Love, to remember your true identity as God and to bask in the full beauty of existence. A metaphysics of materialism will never give you that.

Sorry, I forgot to respond to this part. Consciousness being a “complex” system is a projection of the mind. Reality does not see anything as any more or less “complex” than anything else, and further, there isn’t even a cause and effect “system” or process that is taking place that could be complex to begin with. It is just infinity being itself, and the human brain is part of it. The only one who is deciding it is any more complex than anything else is you.

Then you don’t understand what Infinity means, and neither does Max Tegmark. There are no numbers crunching behind the scenes of reality. The mathematics that he believes is inherent to reality is projected post-hoc, and the reason he projects them is simply because he’s a mathematician. All problems look like a nail to a hammer, and all reality looks like a mathematical equation to a mathematician. It’s the way he sees the world. Really think about what a number is. Look around the room, and count how many separate objects you see. Is there anything in the universe, outside of your mind that decided that the actual number of separate objects in your room is X? Or did you draw the lines between these separate objects? How did you decide they were separate? Numbers are concepts. Period. Reality does not make any judgments about how many there is of anything within itself. It just is, and no symbols can ever encapsulate what “It” is. Infinity cannot be pinned down, because it’s Infinite! How can a finite equation ever encompass Infinity?

This is nonsense. Mathematics has no intrinsic meaning outside the conceptual egoic mind. Numbers and math were constructed by humans to help map out our world to aid in our survival, but all they can ever do is approximate, and this is simply because reality is Infinite. Mathematical equations are sets of symbols that we project onto reality. They are not objective things. Symbols can never fully encapsulate or directly represent Infinity. If you need me to explain why reality is infinite, I will gladly do so.

Donald Hoffman is an example of a stage orange/green materialist starting to see the writing on the wall, but who is still clinging to certain scientific dogma. He claims he thinks that consciousness is fundamental, but then turns around and says in order to confirm that, he should be able to create a mathematical model of consciousness. This is laughably naive. Is consciousness fundamental, or is mathematics? You can’t have it both ways. He doesn’t understand that mathematics arises out of consciousness. Consciousness does not arise out of mathematics.

Watch Dr. Steven Greer’s new documentary: Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. It just came out in April and it will blow your mind.

Well I started Lucid dreaming spontaneously almost immediately after I began my formal meditation practice 5 years ago. I would have a lucid dream about 2 to 3 times a month just due to getting in the habit of mindfulness. It wasn’t until 2 years ago that I really started to get serious about trying to induce them purposefully. All I did was start a dream journal, and I started taking supplements. I basically started lucid dreaming 2-3 times a week almost immediately after starting to do those things. I would say that the supplements do about 70% of the work when it comes to inducing lucid dreams for me. Of course the technique is incredibly important too. The wake back to sleep method is pretty much the only way for me to do it. The biggest thing though I would say is to simply have the will to lucid dream. That alone will do wonders.

If you haven’t read this post already, here are some ideas. Though if you would enjoy these activities completely depends on whether or not you find it fascinating how well your sleeping brain can simulate waking reality. I personally find it to be mind blowing; it’s like virtual reality, but so much more mysterious. But perhaps most people might find these little types of experiments I do to be mundane.

You have some pretty intense meditation sessions, my dude! I’m jelly.

You’re too kind. It has been great discussing these things with you. Take your time; I ain’t goin’ anywhere.

The pleasure is all mine, @Inliytened1 . I’ve read many of your posts in the past even well before joining the forum and have always found your insights to be golden.

@Osaid Yes, I certainly do believe that your lucid dreams are a reflection of your subconscious and that you can learn things about yourself through them. I personally have only experienced sleep paralysis once in my life, so I can’t relate too much with this. I too have had dreams where I committed morally questionable acts. What I think this needs to teach us is that no matter how exceptionally moral we think we are, our mind is also capable of the atrocities that we hold in such contempt, if we had only had different conditioning as we were being brought up. So we should not judge other peoples actions so harshly. This definitely happens quite a bit to me, and it’s sort of annoying, haha. It’s like if I’m doing something in a dream, sometimes I’ll just have this thought come up in the back of my head that’s like “Hrm... what if something really scary happened just now.” And immediately just by thinking it, I bring it into manifestation. It’s like my mind will just sabotage itself just out of curiosity. I don’t understand it.

Wowy. Well it sounds like you’re a rare breed. To start that kind of questioning at age 11 is pretty remarkable. Hell, let’s be real, to have the degree of existential curiosity you have at all is entirely unusual, period. Seems the only place you can find people like that are on forums like this, and forums like this are incredibly scarce. Don’t know what kind of house hold you grew up in, but it doesn’t sound like there was too much stifling or demonization of existential curiosity and philosophy like in mine. Unlike you, I did not really start to inquire deeply into the nature of reality until I was 23, Up until that point, the notion of hell was so drilled into me, that I dared not question my faith. At least not too much. Growing up, I would have deep thoughts here and there and I would spot inconsistencies within my belief system, but if I ever raised a question to my parents, they would immediately shoot it down or would even become angry with me for asking. So I started to associate philosophical questioning with emotional punishment. Because of this, if anything I heard came into conflict with my belief system, I wouldn’t give it any credence; I would just immediately assume that that thing must be false, because it doesn’t line up with the “Word of GAWD.” It took being completely alone living in another state for a year in a half, away from any dogmatic influence from family or friends for me to finally be able to break free from that type of epistemological bondage. That was where I started studying all the science that I had been previously sheltered from. Ooh yeah, I’ve had dreams like that as well where I didn’t look the same. In fact, just the other night, I had a lucid dream where I looked in the mirror and I was a female. I woke up a little weirded out, haha. Ya know, I never did read his books. I know, shameful for someone who claims to be a lucid dreamer, haha. It’s on my to do list. I have done the experiment of looking at my hands though. In one dream, I was looked at my hand and I had like 7 fingers. I was like “Whoa, let me see if I can fix that.” So I flicked my hand, and it went down to 6 fingers. “Almost there.” I thought. I flicked my hand again to try to get to get it down to 5 but after I flicked it, I had like 10 fingers. All of which I could control individually. I was like “What in the actual Eff??” Haha Hoo boy! That’s a really complex topic that takes a bit of explaining. I’ll expound on some of it here, but I may have to save the rest for another thread. This is a thought experiment that can get you to start to fathom the immeasurability of reality: Okay, so imagine that you are facing a wall standing just a few feet away. Every second, you take a step towards the wall traversing half the distance of where you were standing and the wall. You keep doing this, taking a step half the distance, half the distance, half the distance. Forever getting closer to the wall, but never actually reaching it. The reason why this can happen is because distance and measurement are completely relative. The distance between your face and the screen you are looking at is the same as the distance between your face and the end of the universe. Another way to think about the immeasurability of reality is to think about the concept of shape. We have these concepts of shapes that we project onto the “Objects” we see in reality. For instance, we have a concept of a sphere that we use to make sense of the shape of the earth. Is the earth a sphere? Well sure, when you’re looking at it from outer space, it appears to be perfectly spherical. So from that vantage point, we say okay, this object lines up with our concept of a perfect sphere. But of course if you start to zoom in, you will start to see bumps on the surface, like mountains and valleys and canyons. So if we want to be more accurate, we have to come up with a new conceptual shape to correct for that change in perspective and account for all the slight details on the surface like mountains and such. But if you zoom in even more, you will start to see trees, and boulders and rocks and buildings and all these little finer details that further complicate the actual “shape” of the planet. We can then say, okay, now we have to come up with a new concept of a shape to make up for those details on the surface. But notice that you can just keep zooming in even more the find even finer details, like pebbles, grains of sand, molecules, atoms, quarks, and so on. At this point we should start to realize that this spherical “shape” that we originally thought was an inherent quality of the earth was not objective, but conceptual. There literally is no such thing as shape, outside of our conceptual framework. Further, there is no such thing as an “object” to even attach the concept of a shape to. Whenever you look at what you perceive to be a single object, you are looking at an apparent surface that has an unlimited amount of other surfaces that make it up. So is your hand a single object, or is it 5 fingers and a palm? Is it 5 fingers and a palm, or is it trillions of cells? Is it trillions of cells, or is it trillions upon trillions of molecules? Is it trillions upon trillions of molecules, or is it sextillions of atoms? Who’s to say how you’re supposed to conceptualize an “object?” So I do have these feelings sometimes, however, it feels like whenever I get these feelings that the universe immediately will try to do the exact opposite of what I’m anticipating. If I ever feel optimistic, I immediately become worried that something bad will happen just to slap down my expectations. I’m not saying that that’s actually what’s going on, it just feels that way. But because of this, I’ve kind of got in the habit of just trying to not have any expectations of the future at all and just take everything in stride. Just live in the moment and go with the flow, if you will. If I have no expectations, then I can’t be disappointed. That may sound a bit pessimistic, and maybe this has to do with something within me that I need to work on, but it’s just how I’ve been conditioned to conduct myself through my experiences. That’s great though that that happens for you in that way. Must be nice, haha.

No I meant lucid dreaming is more fun first hand, as opposed to hearing about it second hand. I think you might have misunderstood her comment, my guy.

What’s not allowed here?

Sounds like a plan to me, bro. I’ve done plenty of the talking to people experiments, I kinda want to try something a little more extravagant this time. I’ve not tried flying to the moon yet; something like that sounds cool. Could also try moving objects telekinesis style.

It’s far more fun to experience firsthand, I assure you.

Eh, it should be fine; Just throw in one of your lucid dreaming experiences in there just so we’re still technically on topic. Oh no, you’re good my guy; just wanted to make sure I understood the question. So the environment will keep going no matter how far I decide to go with new unique elements in each area. Not only that, but I will be able to go back to an area I had visited before(within the same dream)and everything will be the same as I had seen it when I was last there. So it feels like a preexisting, static environment, the way real life does. This is not always the case, mind you. Some dreams are more fluid and unstable than others, but most of them tend to have this quality of consistency.

It’s possible to some degree to tell how awake someone is based on what they say. Based on all the videos I’ve watched of Sadhguru, I gotta say I’m not really that impressed either. He’s a smart guy and all, but I definitely don’t think he has as deep of a grasp on the metaphysical nature of reality as Leo does. It doesn’t seem like he’s even as awake as Alan Watts. Then again, he doesn’t tend to get too metaphysical with his general audience. Maybe he could surprise me. Either way, it doesn’t matter. Caring about how awake Leo thinks someone is is just a distraction from doing the work. Just do the work if you want to see for yourself how awake it’s possible to become.