Danioover9000

@kenway I've watched the South African part, and currently watching Israel's part. Generally, you're not missing much, just linguistically Israel reframing and distorting and deflecting with use of sophistry, undermining the definitions of genocide, good dodging and deflecting. I will be doing a body language analysis on both parts as I generally feel that some speakers on either side, just some, have nervousness or defensiveness. Especially a few of Israel's defense lawyers, the first guy was too shifty and adjusting his papers too often, also on podium he leans away from South African side. Also moments of lip retraction, lip licks and lip compression, just slight whenever he brings up South Africa, genocide, and giving some talking points of Israel's defense. Second guy from Britain, good linguistics, actually chose the right angle to attack South Africa's case from, although his claim they just want to keep range within 75 years, and his whataboutism on historical ranges to consider. Also pro tip: if you ever feel dry throat, and feel your voice about to go hoarse and dry, pause and drink some water, strategically pause to drink water because that moment when his voice failed, and he had to dry swallow non-verbally communicates weakness. Also, nick pick here, please when you wear glasses wear them properly, because the camera angle makes him look looney, and unkept, maybe camera angle.

@lina That's part of the challenges to communicating, and handling semantics/syntax structures. I sometimes would do this, use stereotypes or caricature examples to exemplify each stage of development with. The real issue is when using a stereotype of a person or group, the user doesn't clarify or explain briefly why the example was used, and lately in this thread whenever someone uses Spiral Dynamics to demonize/dehumanize, they just use the negative loaded terms and stereotypes, but don't explain why it specifically used, they just negative label mainly HAMMAs and sometimes Hezbollah as just stage red terrorists, maybe include Houthis, or ISIS, or Afghanistan's Al Qaeda, most polarized perspectives just label them 'stage red' without bringing up nuances when, for example, Hezbollah has stage blue elements like hospitals, schooling, farming, and other social infrastructures within it's own hierarchy in Southern Lebanon, or don't add prior context to say that Israel's invasion of Lebanon, and disconnecting the north and middle from south Lebanon gave opportunities for the militia groups to form Hezbollah.

@Nivsch Even if I'm wrong in my argumentation and ration, the fact is that it's not a 1:1 kill ratio, 1 HAMAs terrorist killed to one civilian, man, woman, or child killed. The death toll, even if it's not 10,000 to 1, or 1,000 to 1, 0r 100 to 1, or 10 civilians to 1 terrorist, point is civilian death toll is higher than terrorists killed. Is that a highly moral army, that possesses guided and dumb bombs, precision weaponry, knows almost 'everything' when it targets each building? Is a quality of a highly moral army, when it goes to war, has a higher civilian death toll per enemy killed?

For the readers I'm supposedly trying to lie to.

@zazen True, talking like that just paints a bad picture of pro Israeli supporters as blind believers and dogmatic animals with no soul, leading to a sort of bad apple spoiling the bunch. I think @jaylimix is part of a symptom of the evils of the internet, and how over consuming social media and Tik Tok rots the brain and makes people sheep. I actually think this person in real life will say and act differently outside of the internet because there's no anonymity, or internet protection, or because this user is appealing to and making fallacies of pathos and ethos and populace, because pro Israeli is much bigger than pro Palestine, therefore he/she sides with the most popular and widely accepted side. I do think the Israel/Palestine conflict is polarizing people's minds, reducing critical thinking and independence of one's common sense making apparatus, any other social context such a person would behave rationally and reasonably, but when some contexts involves wars, or human killings, or terrorists, or any other dark subject and dark loaded terms, that itself becomes a thought terminating cliche, increasing bad faith tactics and disingenuous takes and acts, and reducing good will and good faith exchanges of ideas.

@Nivsch And where did you get that ratio? from Israel's side? Yeah keep moralizing and preaching. Where's your moralizing since then, picking on me and not @Raze or @zazen or @Merkabah Star, or even @kenway? Even @Leo Gura and mods can see this.

Not to downplay either side of this Israel/Palestine conflict, but there's nothing special about Palestine and even Israel at all, especially boring Israel. Taking into account all it's history, and geo political power dynamics, the PLO was created by the KGB from Russia, rough equivalent to the CIA from USA, so in the biggest picture, if this was a civilization game, PLO is a small village founded by one city state, and Israel was founded by another city state with it's own ideological agendas. long term both Palestine and Israel are proxies for USA and Russia, for the capitalism/communism warfare, and based on many developmental factors like stages of development and value, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, 9 stages of ego development, and other lines of development from person to societal domains, and ideological warfare and beliefs indoctrinated by culture and society, family upbringing, and information ecology consumed and manufactured by big companies for conspicuous consumption, and biases and preferences that shapes one's worldviews.

@Nivsch Is this before or after using google translate, or consulting with Chat GPT? You also have the right to remain silent and consult with an A.I first before answering. Me using a picture from @jaylimix's Gatling gun mount as proof of genocide is your misinterpreted assumption. My question to @Leo Gura, @Carl-Richard, @Space, @OBEler, @Thought Art, @Forestluv, @Nahm and other mods and ex-mods is a moral question: What @jaylimix did in his post, slipping a joke about genocide and violence towards Gazans and Palestinians, not HAMAs, Palestinian citizens, by IDF, is that one moral or immoral? IMO, IDF bombing that Christian church, and killing some Christian Palestinians makes them immoral. IDF killing way more women, children, and pregnant women, 100 to 10,000 for every 1 HAMAs terrorist, makes this a moral issue.

@jaylimix @Leo Gura, @Carl-Richard, @Thought Art, @OBEler, @Forestluv, @Space, mods and ex-mods, is this post immoral? In your views, is @Nivsch and @jaylimix immoral for joking about this genocide?

@Devin The land of freedom, burgers and hotdogs, and actually great steakhouses? Although Outback is great too, especially the bloomin onions.

@Raze Arguably this event has higher probability of escalation. Not good.

@Yimpa Your allergic to seafood? All seafood? That sucks, and I understand. My parent don't like seafood, specifically shrimps but I don't know if it's allergy or just strong dislike, but I do like lots of different seafood varieties, from fish to shrimps to calamari one point, and small squids. Only Mollusks or those seashell types not to agreeable as the texture too chewy to me, but I don't mind calamari despite it being chewy cuz of the flavor! Also, fish and chips!

@Israfil It's not that I'm arguing that Daniel's messaging is meaningless, I'm arguing that it needs improving, needs some more concrete examples to bring down to earth these very complicated topics that the majority just won't get. But regardless I'm done, dropping the topic, rage quitting and moving on. Please don't ever tag me or mention me again.

@zazen If Israel loses they have to abide by the provisional measures right, and if they refuse they are fined and embargoed by other countries? I imagine if Israel loses this will slow down and put more caps on what Israel militarily can do, which gives HAMAs some breathing room here, that's the tradeoff here that is bad for Israel.

@zazen So true, even when I imagine trying to argue for Israel's side it's tough. I can't just stick to logos anymore, I feel like appealing a whole lot to ethos and pathos to compensate for the lack of logos, and lack of solid logical explanation to explain each event from oct 7 onwards, like where do I begin? Maybe starting it off by explaining how difficult it is to fight guerilla warfare and tunnels just like in Vietnam, having to carpet bomb a wilderness, or reframing this as a siege warfare and go that route. It's tough, maybe the indoctrination path? I feel sorry for the lawyer having to do this. Maybe hire Destiny to argue for Israel.🤣

@OBEler Already got a warning point for something else, don't worry.😂 I'll just leave the thread, guys lately so sensitive.

@zazen Likely grasping straws and deflections, and trying to re-define genocide.

@Majed It's a pun with the word 'Fascism' and the word 'Fascia'. Fascists are nouns given to those who believe and follow fascism, but the same word is also given to doctors and scientists that study 'Fascia', the tendon/ligaments around musculature, as 'Fascists'. Get it?

How there's silence and quiet about this video here is shocking: Speak up, and share your views on this UN tribunal.

@kenway True, because this current UN tribunal is on specifically the acts of genocide Israel is doing, and calling for more limitation of what Israel is currently doing, called provisional measures. Any other pivot or twists are distractions from this specific case being built here.

@Israfil What 5%? Do you mean the 1-5% of rich upper class, instead of the rest of the lower-middle class? Great you agree with me that most will ignore his message, so explain to me why would the majority ignore this then? Because they would rather listen to Gary V, therefore they're ignoramuses? But some will listen to it is enough justification for not changing his messaging? Because 'someone' thinking similarly is motivating? What makes you assume that I don't care to solve the Meta Crisis? 'To me and many people', contradicts your previous statement of 'some' people, the 1-5% that will listen, so which group are you referring to here if his priority is to convince and persuade 'many other people is one of his priorities'? Since this is so important intuitively for you, can you provide your solutions to the Meta Crisis then?

@kenway Very little other than just saying it's derogatory for the sake of being bad faith and slandering the speaker. Important context: They don't speak English as their primary language, so obviously an increase in chance of miscommunicating. So obviously bad faith actors will twist that to mean he's being derogatory, out of thin air!

@Nivsch Nit picking on miscommunications. Stop being bad faith.

IMO, this is a very interesting video. Will body language analysis, verbal, discourse and some statement analysis for the context of communication and speaking, less on defensiveness and deception: