Danioover9000

@ajai Is science only direct experience? I could just have the foods I eat in my culture, but on the other hand, I could learn types of food groups from the education system regarding nutrition, how often, from teachers/peers and books, or I could think about foods, or follow my intuition on what to eat. Which is more scientific: direct experience, concepts, reasoning or intuition? If science is not illusory, then how is it possible for both the improvements to occur within science, and for history to record such changes? For example, let's take the scientific method. First it is learnt in family or your education so it is a thing, then you research/study within that education, causing the mind to further internalize that particular method. If taken further, you might research the scientific method outside the schooling context, and you might discover other methodologies with some differences with the epistemic approaches to the scientific method, so instead of the following: Observation, hypothesis, experimentation, and result, you'd find another education system rearrange the order: Hypothesis, observation, experimentation, and result. Or some additions like peer review at the end. Whatever is discovered, is recorded in some way. So, if there's no illusory nature to science, then how is it possible to record or remember a result, or how to do each step of the experiment process? If science is not illusory, then how could I hypothesize and predict and outcome? Or how do I account for inconsistences within observation, if it does happen?

@Leo Gura What do you mean a sun, and an orbit? Is the sky like a table, that helps the earth roll like a ball? Or is the earth so gigantic we don't feel it's falling? That's like saying religion would be replaced with religion. Science had replaced the majority of religion, a thing in the past the majority didn't know is called science. So what emerging field would replace science the same way science replaced most religion while not being so well known? If you still mean bad science being replaced with good science, what counts as good science? And wouldn't this be a pragmatic style of question begging? Because a bad religious group could be replaced with a good religious group, but that was a surface level replacement which I can defend as enough change and no more new development here because this is a really good religious group.

@ajai Wow, beautifully written. It's true that LSD, new spiritual tool of consciousness work, was created in a scientific laboratory with the assumptions being it would allow soldiers to be more efficient at killing. Then they ran that experiment, and ended up with a completely different result. Some question I have: If science is all illusory, then why, on every domain of science, has the consistency of reproducing results? For example, if physics is illusory, then why can't a physical object pass through a physical object? Since science has filled most of the vacuum of influence religion has left, what would soon replace science in the future? How could science be any other way, than appeals to authority? We've had a history of some genius scientists that have done the majority of the work for their insight, and here we are, each domain of science, in this era, standing on their graves. If consensus is false, and direct experience is truth, then is there a way to reconcile the two?

@JayySur Stage red/blue/orange individuals can express different degrees of empathy. In this case, Trump is capable of empathy, but that empathy is filtered through his stage of develop, mainly red/blue/orange values. Empathy is also filtered through a person's moral development, for example the morality of a child is limited to the family first, then the child's peers second, and because of early psychological development, their morality is more absolutist, good or bad, and empathy is more focused on the good things done than bad things. Empathy is also filtered through cognitive development, and how you think, have thoughts form, can effect your actions, including how empathy is expressed.

@Preety_India Fair enough. I'm done dealing with you as well. Leave me alone. I apologies to everyone about the derailment of gleefully demonizing Trump instead of asking questions about if there's any possibilities of Trump's ability to empathize. Coming back to main thread issue about Trump's empathy, is that empathy is under the psychological gravitation of stage red to stage blue. This explains why Trump's actions towards certain criminals is more gentle than what people from stage orange/green and above expect. Because other people that hold values that're stage red/blue, even some orange, are more able to empathize other stage red/blue/orange members. Empathy is not limited to stage green, the stage where empathy is extended to include environment and humanitarianism, and emotional well being of others. There's no empathy at stage beige. Empathy at stage purple is limited to family members and the tribe you are in. Stage red empathy is what makes syndicates and criminal organizations possible, they band together, provided they are rewarded with money, sex, or some material success from the leaders. Empathy at stage red is limited only to people or things that the stage red individual values in, or finds attractive, finds very useful for power amplification. Empathy at stage blue is limited to those who value history, tradition, religion and one's country, this is where we actually see empathy expand to include communities under one religion, or one nationality, or one tradition. This is not like multiple pluralism like in stage green, but a pluralism under one unifying mythology. Empathy is different in stage orange, similar to stage red, that it's conditional to what the orange individual finds relatable, which are those groups or persons that reflect stage orange's values.

@Preety_India Then watch what you say, because that's a figment of your imagination, and your previous reply to me warranted some criticism. No strong bias against your culture, because I'm making an observation from what you've written, that you're Indian from India, and female, and have shadows from stage red, and jealousy with some stage blue elements not available to you. If I'm wrong and misidentified you, , then be responsible and correct your account. I have criticisms of Leo quite a bit, way more compared to my critic of you're behavior lately. A person needs to disown part of themselves to be motivated towards emotionally criticizing, otherwise there wouldn't be such a passionate complaint over some American that won a presidency, that you only have second hand knowledge of, from opinions from media outlets and other people you don't know is true. All your families, all your friends, all who live long term in America, that are Indian, on the time you're reading this, is held in your mind, and are not real. You're too attached to figments of your imagination you call real for you, you're too emotional to realize you're defending mere thoughts made real. You only have yourself, and nobody else. On the other hand, it's great Biden won, and might actually start passing on policies that'll help you and your family right? Doesn't matter, because all that is hallucinations of your mind. Wake up! Or let me know you don't want to wake, then okay I'll leave it there. If what you said about your criticism of Trump is true, then that's fine. Just make it more constructive by toning down the emotional appeals and childish labelling of him, and more solid critic of him. If he wasn't Trump, and some random person, and you give such harsh emotional criticism, don't be surprised other people would find that demonization unappealing. You are right about my analysis of your shadow selves, because if I take it more seriously, I could keep listing out your shadow selves for years none stop, and the more you become conscious of them, the more you have to demonize me for calling out your bullshit you're distracting from. However, it seems I've making you uncomfortable and triggered from how you replied to me, so I'll let your ego off the hook. However, What I analyzed about you below still stands against you, and you have yet to deconstruct what I've written enough to warrant my analysis wrong, other than hand wave it off with emotional appeal to people centered around stage green.

@Ananta Oh I see, good to know you're much happier. Mod after work sounds tough.

@Mikael89 I don't see any reason why you should involve yourself into this. This exchange is between me and pretty here, so I don't see how you'd get any benefit from doing this. You're quoting my analysis of her shadow and treat it as some attack onto you. That's incorrect. Reported as well, so we'll see a peaceful resolution to this unreasonable situation.

@Mikael89 Got another explanation for her frequent vocal demonization of Trump?

@Raphael Should there be shame on being on the right? I'm conservative, should I think and feel depressed for being a conservative? @Ananta You might be right in taking a break, even from the forum entirely. If I'm not mistaken, you were a mod before? What happened to your mod statues?

@louhad Just for my selfish benefit, could you tell me which parts of stage green am I being judgmental about?

@Preety_India Actually, I can't lack of judgement, because while some judgment I'm self aware enough to make, some judgement runs under consciousness and is held in subconscious mind, the collection of true/false beliefs, and holder of all possible shadow selves. I'm not judging stage green as negative or bad. In fact, it's you that is putting words in my writing, and that's called projection. Every stage has a limit where it gets too much, and the trick is noticing that while not adding too much negative labelling on top of the excesses. For example, I don't like communists, so sometimes I can catch myself demonizing them. I actually don't like Trump, because I can see how ignorant he is, which I don't like to admit I was ignorant at one point, but also because I have that shadow self that has his qualities, which I myself don't like. However, his humor I like, because I find it funny, and because it humiliates the elite class that exists in the white house, which, tada, is a communist shadow self in me that likes that humiliation of the powerful. I may have some repression of and resist some parts of stage green values, morality, cognition and lines of development, but I'm open to developing myself to stage green, but growth occurs by going through a stage, in this case stage orange. This is important, because if I bum rush towards stage green, I run the risk of not integrating stage orange developments I have yet to fully learn, and like that, instead of me judging a new ager or hippy, later I become the hippy judging business or rationalists with the same hate as I had for hippies, while struggling with finance or with being reasonable. No, you hate Donald Trump because of a suppressed shadow self that has qualities to Trump's, not to mention negative traits in men you've pasted onto Trump, and any related traumas from men you've pasted onto Trump. It's a common collective shadow that traditionally raised women in India have in themselves, raised in a stage blue environment that's religious and traditional, that's more male dominated. In such an environment, it's easy for women to be jealous of the power gap experienced in terms of traditional gender roles of men and women. The negative traits in men you don't like, are shadow self qualities, are theses for example: 'horrible, undemocratic, narcissistic, dangerously careless and self serving', which I suggest is good areas to do shadow work on yourself. I haven't put any blame on you, other than making a statement of observation about your position, a position of an outsider's perspective, living in India, giving an opinion, a figment of your imagination, on America's political climate, while you have little shared experience of what Americans have to go through on American soil. Also, statements on your possible shadow parts. I'm not nitpicking you, I'm replying to you replying to me. You claim your judgement is less dangerous than Trump's judgement. However, this claim is false because you d not have Trump's mind, and because you only have your mind and nobody elses, therefore judgements from your mind, self or others, is far dangerous than what others judge onto you.

@Heart of Space Lmao yes, but stage brown is incomplete, not even stage coral is the pinnacle of absolute development. It's actually stage black, the unification of all stage colors and psychological development possible

@louhad Oh yes, so many lessons from not just the values of each stage, but the distinct moral development, cognitive development, and lines of development in different areas of one's life. Sometimes I contemplate hours before bed. This is another reason why I'm less vocal and dehumanizing towards people like Trump, as that part exists deep in my psyche as well, and the same for past humans that've been here.

@ArchangelG Even the most inhuman human being will be empathetic, firstly to themselves, and secondly to their families. Trump is at least capable of this, despite having gone through his life facing many factors, physical and mental, that would've blunted this empathy.

Sounds fun, but still, gamble responsibly.

Update: I've been able to get Crysty to do some meditation. I'm now noticing more improvement on sensing where her form is without looking at the location, and more able to feel her emotional signals. Also, I'm currently research and working on what this phenomena is. I might be able to find out something.

I've done a few dates last month, and I've journaled in detail in a separate book, so I'll summarize here. My first date was at a café. Was okay, she was like a 7. Service is good, how we talked is okay, but I had a very bad feeling about this woman, so days later I broke it off with her. I didn't fap to porn prior to first date, so I was good. The following week, I had another date, this time through internet dating. It was not as good as the first one, and the same bad feeling came about. I fapped prior to and after the date, and I felt very sick. Has anybody experienced this? How do you manage this?

For example, do some letting go or self acceptance meditation. I do mindfulness with labelling, and over time focus more on the heart.

@louhad Personally, haven't got all stage orange/blue/red fully integrated. Have patience, please. Does crying to myself in my sleep count as stage green integration?

@dflores321 Don't get me wrong, a different context and if I got to beat up Trump for my survival, I get to it. I'm still too selfish to admit I'm very loving. I'm just at that point where I start seeing the value of compassion, to mellow my own monstrosity and stress. I've also studied some manipulation tactics from charismatic people and historical figures, so I see it a mile away, but can't say the same for other people.

@fridjonk That sounds great. I've tried the cacao powder by itself, and it's enough to wake me up for a few hours. For some reason, and it's the same with dark chocolate, I get some constipation in my gut area. Is this a normal reaction to chocolate for anybody here, or is it just my body? Also, local brand name would be nice to know, I might get it however I can. Do you drink you cacao drink with just the powder, or is it mixed like a chocolate milk?

@Average Investor Sounds really good. I also eat oatmeal, and added the following ;some walnuts/deacons, grass fed butter from Kerry Gold, honey, Chia seeds, and either one of the following; Cravendale milk, which is better than skiimed milk, almond or hazelnut milk, or almond/coconut milk, with some coconut milk if available. with this breakfast, I've got no more excuses for fatigue or mental exhaustion. I'll try adding some raisins later. With the oatmeal, if available I'll get the organic, but for convenience I got the one with the old person on the cover, has both plain and golden syrup flavors which I like. For the golden syrup one I might try a bit of your recipe with the maple syrup and cinnamon.

@Shin This is interesting. I've done some self introspection, but there's a point when it felt too dangerous to push, so it might be rooted in some trauma I forgotten in the past. Definitely gonna need a specialist for this. I've also caught myself getting a bit greedy with the porn, not even watching the porn vids, but more browsing than watching. Had this happen to you, like in the past, it was far more browsing than watching? Also, I've experienced this, and hoping you could relate, but in most cases, I get pains in my balls whenever I pull away from a video. I especially get the pains after a date, when I've been fully erect for several minutes, but a few minutes of a semi-quarter erection, no pain at all. Any tips on this?

@Preety_India Hahahaha, from the comfort of another country, judging. Thanks, you've reminded us all that judgement is still very dangerous, that stage green can get too emotional, and that there's more shadow work.