Danioover9000

@neutralempty Yet this is relative to how that person's mind and body is shaped, and hat shapes how each person understanding differently than the other. The understanding that an A.I has, is different from an animals, is different from a human's, is different from an alien, and so on.

@Carl-Richard Of course I'm not saying nothing, because I'm typing not speaking. Totally different mediums, which are relative to one another.

@Scholar Of course I can see myself turning this realization of relativity to sort of benefit me, but that depends on if I have cosmic levels of will power and properties which could bend relativity for my own benefit, to which I have very little of, so no matter my ego, relativity does not bend down to me, but I to it. Trust me, If I am capable of such epic feats, I'd have designed my own world for myself to live on, independent of other things, including relativity. Your assumptions about me is relative to what I have said so far being truthful or false. Also, you claiming I'm gonna be sorry if relativity is used against me? Again, so much assuming coming from you, you don't know if I love it when relativity is used tightly against me, depending on if I have a personality that loves pain, or a different one that doesn't, or some other personality, yet even all that is relative. Sorry, there's no such thing as consistency, as that is subject to relativity, to different degrees of time flow, which is why so many vegans can't equally appreciate the lives of plants and the live of animals, because animals have faster time flow relative to plant's development, such that we feel more sorry for animals over plants.

@Scholar Relativity does not depend on a human's demand for it to be applied appropriate, because that's coming from a tiny limited perspective, relative to relativity itself. The time to talk about relativity is relative to the situation and types of species of humans talking about relativity. I'll agree with you a tiny bit that yes, depending (relative) on the situation, some situations are better at masturbating relativity on a mental level, and some situations are not productive to talking about relativity because of a perspective's survival, but even that is relative, regardless if you're busy in a meditative retreat, or busy handling you're sexuality, or busy handling physics particles, that's still relative! Can't you not see that such separations is occur regardless of you wanting such things? I've offered my perspective on vegetables, and my position is mostly neutral and slightly on vegans actually. Even when I'm supportive of vegan diets, I still get back stabbed by vegans, as soon as I point to how relative their perspective is. Vegan perspective is really sensitive, even when I'm forcefully being vanilla in my stance.

@Scholar That's still relative to who you are in that situation, from the arrested one, to the one arresting, which one are you? You could even be the prison itself, and I'd tell you that your existence in this limited world is still relative to other objects and happenings. Right now, vegans are relatively speaking less valuable to me, and that's because of my mind, body, and life experiences that's relatively separates other diets, including vegans. Plants are different to me now, because I'm feeling more sorry for them putting up with humans eating them, yet that too is relative.

@neutralempty How do you know I'm misusing relativity? Even this is relative. You thinking about if I'm using is relative too.

@Scholar You attempting to box me in as a type of person is relative. Even the data you show is relative to my language understanding, which easily makes you're perspective claims on me relative and false. You don't know if I understand whatever models you offer me at all.

The more interesting discussion point is if veganism turns legal, and is being imposed by the government to be on a vegan diet, what kinds of moral implications does this have for those who're not vegans?

@Scholar Chill out, her perspective is relative to your perspective, nothing to be so hurt other by, because your negative behavior is relative compared to hers.

@neutralempty My level of care and empathy is relative to the victim, the perpetrators, and you. Feel free to help out the victim, or not, or take whatever actions you want. More important it is is to see how relative it all is, because you can find yourself in the perpetrator's position, or the victim's position, or the witness's position. Question is can you realize it's deeply relative? Yes or no?

@Scholar Of course, what I have to say is relative, including what is valuable or not to you, along with my values, how I'm triggered, my cognitive levels, my moral compass, my levels of dishonesty. Even you choosing to impose your values on me is relative, and depending on my responses to that, or depending on how others around you react to you imposing yourself on me. All that is relative. It's so relative I don't need to demonstrate to a perspective, like you, that I've fully grasped and understood this entire situation and veganism. You don't know I've done many years of self experimentation on nutrition, or if I'm an idiot, or if I'm something else, because I'm relative, I'm having to be contrasted and compared to your mind's experiences. That's how relative I am to you. The value of this conversation is relative too. There's also the rational ability to claim this entire thread is a joke, and irrelevant to anything at all. Thanks to relativity, such claims can be made, and not necessarily be demonstrated to be the case. Get comfortable with relativity real quick, otherwise keep suffering. That's relative too.

@Village It's so easy to not acknowledge how relative this all is. Even vegans get triggered if they really realize their positions are so relative that it greatly diminishes the importance of such positions, because their relative.

@neutralempty Yes, I am relatively speaking, different from you, and my level of empathy is different relative to you. Sorry.

@Scholar Morality is relative to other types of moralities. Relativity has everything to do with what we're discussing here, because as soon as you bring in perspectives that live on a carnivore diet, an omnivore diet, a more serious vegan diet and native diets like eating whales and seals, the view of vegans becomes relative. Even what you call 'honest rational inquiries' is relative to other types of rationalities, including the rationality that can claim this entire thread is irrelevant and does not count as a discussion whatsoever. Literally, it's so relative that the degree of a situation's or a person's worth and stake is relative to other situations and people's other levels of worth. Indeed, I'm so relative that I benefit from my relativity, as I'm not another person being chased down by a killer immediately. We all greatly benefit from relativity, such that you don't go insane from the lack of separation from others and parts of the world. Unfortunately for me, I'm starting to value the lives of other plants more so than animals and humans. Am I at risk of mental breakdown? Maybe so, yet this relativity is helping still to maintain my sanity, as does it benefit you too! Because you too type away in an intellectual superiority manner, relative to other ways of typing on the computer.

@StarStruck Sorry, that's still relative.

@neutralempty Because that's the case, that you are relative to other things.

@Scholar That's okay, because that's dependent on the era and relative to people's willingness to be in such situations. Also, who you are and act are relative to you, so you do you, keeping in mind how relative it all is, which doesn't remove consequences for yourself, because that too is relative. The last part is irrelevant, we're talking about veganism not spirituality, which is relative too.

On another note, just eating vegetables overstimulates my hormones, and increases my horniness levels. While it's great at other contexts, some contexts I find it unpleasant to feel horny for long periods of time. I find it annoying when my mind wonders to naked women when I need it to design complex structures for my survival. Vegan, no vegan, alien, elf machine, you do you. You're a perspective like the specks of dust in the universe, a once in a lifetime snowflake that'll melt like all the rest of the snows out there. Hopefully at least realize how relative you are to everything.

@Keyhole This also a valid perspective on veganism, especially the affordability of this lifestyle.

@K Ghoul This is another perspective, among many others that contrasts and differs from the perspective of vegans.

@Scholar Which people? Which kinds of disease? What kinds of animal products? Which health care system? Only McDonalds, or junk food in general? Why no tests for you? Which vitamins to take for everybody? Which part of the world has lower vegetable consumption? It is relative.

@StarStruck I've also been triggered by vegans as well, because of their level of emotional responses. Although I have similar to different reasons behind the hate than you. The volume of food consumption, vitamin supplements, doctor appointments, and medical tests including blood tests, all depend on each vegan's body health and psychology, which determines the ranges of choice. Also, it depends on if medical options are covered by government, as some governments don't cover for medical tests, manufacturing of supplement pills, and food supply can be limiting. With regards to the economic and environmental aspects I tend to research independently, and leave to other specialists to sort out. I agree that it may be expensive, yet it depends on the geography and bio availability to each society on earth. Some places, developing infrastructure to vegans will be more expensive, for example in Japan and the middle eastern regions, than say the USA or North America, due to their greater ranges of vegetables. Foreign interests and the trade markets do play a role in imports, exports and land development for veggies. Here is why I currently don't like vegans. I grow my own garden veggies, and before that I don't care too much about veggies. While I've grown my veggies, I get to observe how those plants grow, and how they develop, from seedling, to sampling, to seed bearing, to withering and finally to a dead plant. Suddenly, my empathy towards plants has increased, to the point it hurts seeing some of those I interact with eating plants. When I see parts of a plant being cut, and eaten, I feel like that's my arm being cut and eaten. It was too disturbing that I had to come up with excuses to leave and distance myself away from vegans. This was a similar process towards animals, because I've had home pets and observed animals for drawing.

@Tildae00 This is probably the case.

My energy keeps rising, so much that on some nights I'm still awake despite exercising and meditating. My mind is designing something with angles and shapes, like it's working out a design for some type of flying vehicle. Sometimes I fall asleep with the mental exhaustion.

@Preety_India Stalker's syndrome.