Danioover9000

@MarkKol Jesus Christ, the world is a strange place.

@Kksd74628 Well, it depends on your stage of development, cognitive and moral development, personality, state of being, life experiences and other lines of development and worldview. When we have definitions and words, at first language doesn't really mean anything in isolation, and as a baby your brain hasn't developed enough to create and maintain mental categories through language, about others objects and acts. During your family upbringing and early education, you and most people absorb language used by other humans that are mostly spoken and listened to, then your further develop through literacy education, which is where you discover the uses of dictionaries and definitions of other words. Further education and reading, and learning outside of schools, and then you realize just how many definitions exist that are collectively defined and enforced, versus how many you hold personally, and you then have to make compromises as you go through life. I was just pointing out that there are personal and collective definitions to a word, how is that my agenda?

@zurew That's a good point, especially when we look at this from different contexts, like with law, people have their own ethics they follow in their life and from family, but have to adjust to state laws or get punished.

Almost every time, Destiny seems to always get defensive when in arguing and debates of international issues involving the USA get brought up. What are your thoughts?

Would you guys be in favor for de platforming?

This is an interesting video, related but showing it at a different view:

@Carl-Richard There is nothing to leave...but to believe yourself.

@zurew I have to assume mostly likely it's virtue signaling, given how easy it is in the internet, to create user accounts, troll and hate speech, lie about how compassionate you really are, deepfake, meme making, and so on that the probability of trusting what's written in text form is lower. Okay, in a hypothetical scenario, if you had the leadership position, your own small group, leading subcultures like the cartel, the mafia, and the Vikings, what would you do to discourage your own tribe, or country, from killing its' own members, when the culture favors raiding, raping, acquiring slaves, and stealing resources from other inferior cultures? How would you try to discourage the behaviors of your group that's externalized outward towards other groups, from repeating from within your group?

I know right Leo?! I have, despite how sloppy I word myself, have demonstrated how a stage yellow systems thinker thinks like and how I'd handle a death penalty decision. I have stated, 5-1% of those who've values are dominantely stage red, with some degrees of cognitive and moral differentiation from the common sense and consensus reality of society, personality traits such as machiavellinism, psychopathy and sociopathy, life experiences and state of being, and the list of harmful behaviours they have committed and laws broken, that resulted, for example cannibalism, serial killings and rapes, and immense suffering to the victim or victims if alive, or if dead the victim's families having to live knowling how horrific their loved one died. And for my efforts, I am getting strawman to the left, ad hominem to the right, getting written off this way and that way to multiple polarities that is distorted. Another problem here, as you've also stated in your recent video of double standards, is a deep double standard here over the act of killing a person(s) ir execution, and virtue signal false compassion, until life throws a psychopath or criminal their way, I guarantee you that most here would back peddle and double take, and be for killing when their survival is on the line. Also, trouble understanding and empathizing with an actual psychopath, sociopath and machiavellian type of personality, along with other forms of mental disorders that increases their likelihood of committing such heinous acts. The message that the state wants to put to all it's population is this: We will kill those who kill more, and wish to cause more misery to most of society and it's civilians, and forbid such horrid acts of humanity. Behave, or die. I think it's a reasonable message, to those who are stuck in stage red.

@Javfly33 On the individual level you could do something about raising your baseline state of consciousness here and there a little bit, but it's trickier at the collective level, while dealing with new technological advances that further complexes and widens distractions, on top of the errosive nature of social media consumption to one's focus and deep work, mixed in with all the hard core to soft core addictions not only you deal with, but what other people deal with wjile trying to include you into their addiction patterns. It's the nature of societal development, value systems, personality traits, cognitive and moral development, psychological development, states of being and life experiences. Many methods out there to increase focus, and for me it's just been to spend less time online in social media consuming too much pop culture, and more time building concentration and mindfulness.

A brief derailing of the topic, because talking of death and stuff is morbid...why the hell are prisoners jacked?! It makes little sense as they're not bulking a bit, or have more fitness programs, but they still get jacked. Does anyone know why they can build muscle?

@Vibes I'd kill it, and that goes for wasps and spiders who are in agony in a heartbeat. It's not really considered unnatural to mercy kill, as that's part of nature as well. Otherwise, killing would not exist for other things in the first place. Maybe define what's natural and unnatural for you if I misunderstood your point.

@zurew So, when the world becomes a utopia? Basically, you agree with me, that in a stage yellow and turquoise society, handling such devilish persons that are okay committing horrific acts against society, and do not want reforming, must go. In such a utopia we would realistically have androids and robots like in the matrix determining, for the sake of long-term effects on the world, would make such determinations.

On the arguments that the death penalty is expensive, may depend on the method of killing. Obviously, lethal injection is probably most expensive because you have to continuously mix and fill every time. Death by electrocution isn't as expensive, but you are spending Joles to kill a person. Death by firing squad is less expensive, but again you have to keep on making bullets for the executions. Hanging seems even less expensive, but the procedure has to be executed correctly or else it can get messy. Death by guillotine seems the least expensive, as long as the equipment is maintained correctly. Of course, other forms of torturous deaths are left as well, but it's too barbaric and savage to display to people. As an aside, no public viewing of these executions, either only the judge, juries and family of the victims, or straight execution. So, guillotine it is for me.

@zurew Okay, what would it take for you to concede to my point of view, if partially?

@zurew I have a bias against arguing and debating. It's so obvious to me that I intuit that very few people can do serious harm to others will refuse to reform and wish to continue harming people. Such people need to go. Seriously, would you be willing to spend part of your income and taxpayer money, for 50 years straight, housing the most disgusting human beings on earth, or would you rather save 50 years of income and taxpayer money, by executing the 5-1% of the population that never will reform? It's a simple mathematics problem. Yes, it's tragic to kill a psychopathic cannibal whose called Bob and maybe has a family he constantly gaslights, but it's also tragic to let such a person loose and kill hundreds of women and children who will undergo more suffering and grief, having to live with the thoughts and knowledge that their loved one was killed in such horrific circumstances. Sorry, such people have to go. I am at tier 2 cognition, as I'm able to imagine these types of people living life, committing harms, and imagine the victims these people create. Most of you can't stomach such imaginations, and at the collective scale too, and I am willing to engage with the full ramifications of every action possible. The stage green limitations of this thread are fucking ridiculous.

@zurew When I said to gather evidence, I meant one or two pieces of evidence, hard and a witness, not hundreds of multiple pieces of evidence and multiple trials when one video clearly shows the guilty person eating and killing a bunch of people. Ideally just one piece of evidence that clearly shows the person has bad intent and wishes to continue hurting people. When it's very clear the 'innocent' psychopath, sociopath and degenerate committing the most disgusting acts of humanity ever, it necessitates that part of the prison system should function to remove such evil and devious individuals from society. Until you have had experienced the other end of evil, or have witnessed such acts, you will realize the need to execute such people. Yes, for a very niche set of people, that will harm other people in real life. Only for those who committed extremely harmful acts. Petty crimes I leave to your common sense, but I'm focused on the greatest evilest acts of humanity, that they want to continue doing.

@Bobby_2021 I'm merciful, and would rather not let you rot in jail and instead sentence you to death if you committed very degenerate and heinous acts, and showing a strong will and desire to continue regardless. Also, it's cheaper to kill rather than to house and continue paying your living through taxpayer money.

@Tyler Robinson Are you @Pretty? You write just like her, long winded paragraphs when triggered and drama seeking. @Leo Gura or other mods, please check if this is true.

A debate that became very heated later on, both entertaining, and shows the limits o arguing. Enjoy: Thoughts and feelings comment down below.

@Max_V I have dealt with this in the past, what worked for me were the following: Doung meditation. Doing isometric exercises. Isometrics develops mind and muscle connections, via through intense muscle contraction that engages in grwater synapses activity, Reading a lot, fiction and nonfiction. Playing word games, like jumble or scramble. Playing board games, or any game that makes you think more. 8 hours of sleep and long naps if possible. Omega3 fish oil, or crill oil. Also eat foods with good protein and fat source, and plenty of colourful vegetables and fruits. A variety of visualization exercises, taken from others and what I design for myself, from playing blindfold chess, to mentally listening to music. Rhyme games, and free style rapping. Also related is word association. Aim for a pleasent headache, and that's where you stop. Pleasent headache means your brain is improving a neural pathway to a associated word. Also patience and focusing in on incremental improvements, like in deliberate practice, and also big and compelling vision for being a wordsmith.

@Raptorsin7 Well, in that case Destiny would be mirroring the impartiality of GOD, in that it doesn't care for one thing over another, and equally treats everything as fundamentally deviod of meaning, whereas Nick reflects the love of god, vai through telling many jokes and disguises any Nazi or white supremacist ideology through fun and games. Both are unfortunately cucked by the devil, Destiny, an ex catholic, came out a sociopath while Nick's a secretive Nazi, also in the mix is Mr. Girl and whatever he represents. So yeah, energy plays a factor, as well as charisma and saying the right things to leverage the crowds energy to you, like Donald Trump. Technically if we're obly on the energy factor, Bernie Sanders would have been far more favorable to be president. Clearly outshines in the energy factor.

This is especially the case if such individuals are hell bent to fulfill a mision of destroying parts, or society as a whole, at the cost of thousands and many more suffering greater misery and are actively pursuing that goal.

@Tyler Robinson It's taking into consideration of the living spaces, materials for the construction of each part of a prison facility, tax payer money per year that pays for funding for every equipment and maintenance costs, paying for the use of the phone, funding for food and water supply for inmates with or without parole,versus those that are on death row. American prison system is notoriously pretty expensive, and they do try to make a profit for each incarnation they do. Humanitarian considerations are not limitless in the face of cannibals, psychopaths, sociopaths, rapists, child murderers and paedophiles. Housing extremely degenerate humans that chronically wish ill will and harm to other good samaritans and civilians in society, while putting police officers, nurses, doctors, wardens, and other people that have to manage and deal with such evil for decades at risk of getting hurt or killed, while having to pay more taxes of keeping such devils alive, is the greater collective harm. The humane thing for such types of people, is to kill them off quickly when enough evidence is gathered that they clearly have intent for degeneracy, and harm to others, and strong desire to continue until death regardless.

@Raptorsin7 Well, technically you are correct, as Nick is far more integrity of being who he is compared to Destiny the sociopath. Don't know about the love part, maybe he loves to disguise his intentions with humour?