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@petar8p I agree, a lot to learn from Piers Morgan and Kanye West and both their worldviews. Interpret that however you want to. ?

@Scholar First off, really good post. So, technically, is it more a danger of misusing A.I. then?

@Leo Gura Well, actually... I am guilty! ? I posted Steven Zapata's video on @Space A.I. is ruining art thread, so @Scholar must have got inspired to make a more concrete thread to build a more convincing case against A.I. use. So, I copied that video for that thread, then @Scholar copied that video to make his thread, and Steven Zapata must have copied those images he's drawing from his memories and imagination. Yeah, the issue of copying and copyright is a deep and convoluted one.

@something_else Because human artists are in the business of communicating divine and spiritual truths, through their drawing. So, of course it is threatening when a robot is trying to take that purpose and take the process away from artists. Arguable, the most enjoyable of artwork is the art working process and the result as well. It's just bad and lazy if robots and A.I. do all human work for us, especially creative processes.

@Leo Gura Wait! Why are you picking on me Leo? Did you mean @Scholar instead of me?

@StarStruck YO! THAT'S THE ONE PUNCH/KICK KNOCK OUT ARTIST SEAN O'MALLEY!! ? Conor, you've got a real contender for the strike thrown! GET READY!!

@Derek White Overall, a good solid critique. However, it's going to be difficult critiquing the advanced forms of Leo's work as most of that is both a semantics issue and lack of experience issues, so at best the most productive the critique gets is on the basics of this work, and maybe safety protocols and that's that.

@integral That does make sense on some level. Nutrition and sleep quality and exercise on some level is important, as too much masturbation leads to flu like or fever like symptoms, weird chest and throat sensations, phantom pains and aches in the body's skin, a bad feeling of emptiness. I think NoFap, if done too seriously, can be a problem, but if it's for short term abstinence it's okay, longer or shorter durations, as long as there's the intent to increase your will power and discipline I think it's fine. Paradoxically, in a deeper level, actually NoFap does increase the pleasures of masturbation, or real sex, in which case it can become the most top priority for doing NoFap is for more pleasure, among other things like experiencing those self-reported benefits of the practitioners of NoFap in one's direct experience, to verify each one.

1:55:00 to 2:05:00 roughly, Leo does bring up good points about how stage green's pursuit of moral relativism, demonizing tradition morals, national morals and religious morals does lead to degradation of most parts of societies. I especially agree with him bringing up the weed and violent rap music part, there were some loosely related science experiments on water and plants, and both had two parts. The first water jug/plant had orchestral and/or spiritually themed music playing, along with a person saying nice and kind phrases to the plant/water jug. The opposite happened for the second plant and water jug, it had heavy metal rock and harsh things said to the [lant and water jug. When the samples were collected from both, and studied under a microscope, the first plant/water jug showed much greater unity and solidness of particles from the loving treatment and soothing orchestral/spiritual music, whereas the second plant/water jug had more deformed and rougher structures that formed. I like to think I have had an influence on Leo's choice of examples. It could have been heavy metal rock, or horrific gory paintings, or darker themed artwork, but no, it had to specifically be rap music. ?

@Tobia I know that how @Blackhawk wasn't optimal and carefully thought out his posts in your and my posts, but to extend some good faith, I think this topic is already triggering for some users, and maybe it's both the combination of talking to a text box and pixels and picture, which is different from a face-to-face conversation amongst us, and having hidden assumptions in how we write and generalize ideas.

@mr_engineer I see, then I've overstepped my assumption of your state of mind. I was curious where this conversation would go, but I think it reached it's natural course for me. Let's forget and part ways then.

@Blackhawk Ah, okay, so if Ukraine is absolutely free to do whatever it wants, can it kidnap you and your family for ransom? If Ukraine is free to do what it wants, is Ukraine allowed to persecute eastern Ukrainians? If Ukraine should be free to do what it wants, anytime in this conflict, would you let Ukraine concede to Russia? If Ukraine should be free to do what it wants, would you let it become a sovereign state, and a buffer state between NATO and Russian territory? If Ukraine should be free to do what it wants, would you let Ukraine split down the middle: western Ukraine join NATO, and eastern Ukraine join Russia? And why should you stick your nose into Ukraine's free will?

@Tyler Robinson I think it's 5 times now. Apparently, Mr. Girl is getting multiple bans too. Both have common ground now. ?

@Space Sorry, I meant when I said Destiny was copying Steven Crowder, is in that he's hosting outdoor debates and discussions, while having a sit down with some of those people, in college campuses. I did not mean he's literally copying Crowder's tactics and drama making. Of course, not the only thing he did, he also goes to lecture places and have live debates with other online political spokespeople, and sometimes in crowds. Majority of Destiny's content making is in his place though. Definitely agree with Destiny, in context to debating, you really should understand the opposite perspective of the issue you're arguing. It's a good view to take and integrate across other contexts, the steel manning method.

@trenton It could be intentional to make that comparison, maybe to shock them and wake them up.

@StarStruck How would you summarize Leo's two videos on where the left goes wrong part 1 and 2, in 3 paragraphs at least?

@Leo Gura Yes, he's one of the very few on the left, in online spheres to have a balanced take on whichever side is going too far, also thanks to his decades of debating other people. Also, one of the rare individuals that started conservative, then went moderate conservative, then very left leaning, and now is solidly a centrist. Not many people have that kind of evolution in their politics at least.

@DreamScape Use or not use A.I. programs? Use more traditional analogue drawing, or digital drawing? For clarification.

@something_else If an artist that draws uses many tools, and wants to explore A.I. drawing programs for experimentation, to just try it out for a week, am I potentially stealing a weeks' worth of 100,000s of artworks from 100,000 of artists? I think the main issue, is trying to make most businesses incentivized to reward artists over time, because the issue is that there's 10 billion or so images in for example googles database. The question becomes, can anyone business survive long term if they prioritize royalties and refunding those billion plus artists? If they can't survive even 1 year of doing that, the majority of small to large business ain't gonna be doing that. So, how do you encourage them to do that, when it's in their best interest to not reward artists at scale total? Maybe overtime, reward a selection of artists? Very deep implication, concerning creativity geniuses, is that a large portion of our art consumption, even we don't give credit to all our sources of inspiration and sources of aspiration. That's largely subconscious, and we only ever do give credit when it's due, when it largely influenced us to go that direction, so that 1 or 10 artists gets the shout out, but the billions of other artists that draw, or do music, or fight, or dance, don't, simply because they were not titillating enough to get me inspired to aspire to that level of mastery and creativity. So, this issue also is a metaphysical, epistemic and existential one especially to human beings. Can we give credit to every single billions of artists?

Also, can we stop and appreciate Steven Zapata's drawing ability? It's quite amazing what he can do with pencils.

@Scholar Okay, it's an ethical issue. Let's assume we all unanimously agree with it being unethical, the whole art community and the young generation agrees. Great, so, what are our options going forward with dealing with these corporations using A.I. drawing/music/dancing programs? One possibility is a stronger and bigger government...but most young people don't like a stronger, bigger government, right? Most of the Zoomers to millennials have a anti big brother view, like they're some degree of Libertarian. Yet, we need to actually make the government stronger and let it have more control over the internet, the open sources and enforce regulations against more predatory forms of capitalism of the big companies...but some of those big companies fund parts of the government...and again, even the businesses themselves are incentivized against slowing down and rewarding every single artist using their A.I. programs, while their competition delays that or ignores the royalties for profits, which means the government has to step in more and design policies and regulations that effect the economy, markets and business taxes...but if they tax businesses too much, that puts pressure on local to big businesses to go do business elsewhere outside it's country.... Assuming we all agree and are ready to take steps, what do those steps look like to you?

@Bobby_2021 Honestly, all you had to say is an over simplified argument and claim: all genetics determines the shape and edges of the bell curve, and the majority of your automatic and unconscious/instinctual behaviors. That it. Genetics determines the millions of subtle changes in behavior, physicality and shape and brain modulation and hard wiring. Genetics largely determines body composition and brain shape from the beginning. After that comes eugenics and how those genes are expressed generationally, and other complicated modals of psychological development and other factors. The main problem is that on average people here in the forum are not into or interested in black pill ideology, they're here to learn other resources and improve their lives in some ways, no matter how small from resources other users have shared. Or teatime before going back into real-life. So, other than trying to increase the heat of this discourse, I don't see why you keep on harping on about genetics?

@Max_V Wait, when I read that, my mind immediately thought Chinese crackers, and other crisps and doing a parade of some kind. Is the word 'cracker' an actual slur for some other context? I really didn't know that until now if that's the case.

@ValiantSalvatore A few syntaxes and semantics issues: *Institute, *visited, *ability *Incel (a) between 'of' and 'recommendation' in the third paragraph. Also, when writing paragraphs indent. Inappropriate and excessive use of laughing emoji, and in second paragraph, in line 5 you need a full stop after 'journals '.

@Phil777 @petar8p Also, much easier to date and have short term relationships with and helps screening process much more. We all live in a society that is progressing technologically, and one way or the other we will have stage yellow to turquoise societies with infrastructures that will support all men or women with their dating and relationship problems, and we all have to start somewhere, and that starting point may look like stage blue/orange methodology with holographic numbers of how often you've slept with people on your forehead, first on your online profile.