Danioover9000

This Trump hate syndrome Kool Aid you guys are on is insanity. It's like some psychological addiction trip you guys are on. Seriously this fear mongering is baseless, and Trump will not likely win at all. Remember, Biden and his administration will do what it takes from Trump to lose. So while you all are bickering about Trump this and Christian nationalists that, what about the other guy in charge signaling that he'll do what it takes for Trump to lose forever, even bending and breaking democratic principles along the way? See you guys are too hooked up in Trump hate that you forgot the other guy next to him ready to break democracy to ensure Trump loses. For the love of god take slow deep breaths, don't forget it's not all about Trump there are others nearby also. You all are having some magical tunnel vision effect going on here.

@mrPixel Lucky you didn't, otherwise it would've made me and my argument look better. Also against forum policy to name call, insult, ad hominem, the typical fallacies arguers commit when losing badly like few are here.

@mrPixel Do you live anywhere near where this guy just visited? Seen what they are like? Also, according to Jordan Peterson: Assuming all of that is true, and some of your fellow citizens in California, native to California, have an IQ range of 90-100, and can only do some jobs that are in that range, they can only labor intensive and construction types of jobs. Then you have an increasing immigration from Mexico onto the job market your Californian middle-lower class people are in, and now there's shortage of labor due to higher immigration onto those available jobs, thereby increasing homelessness there. All that made because your companies the Neoliberals all operate, and corporate masters all want the cheaper labors from foreign countries than the local poll, is all that not a serious problem? And see how most of the left are not understanding that this is a huge problem their state/country is facing when some demographics and psychographics are at much lower ranges in IQ. Do you not see that despite this, some Lefties still are preaching all inclusivity despite increasing suffering from some of their own people?

@Etherial Cat Yes, 3rd world theocracies function so well that Neoliberals keep on getting them, because they reproduce faster than western societies, as good replacements for cheaper labor. Why? Because Neolibs and hardcore capitalists know that immigrants work harder and are cheaper to hire than western liberals that are democratic, individualist, and will complain more than them. However, in doing so they also want to Americanize those 3rd world theocratic countries, destroying their societies, at the cost of seeking that utopia of multiculturalism. Again, look to South Korea, to Japan, to some EU countries and the UK to know what I mean.

@mrPixel If that's true, then why are leftists not learning that mass immigration and too much inclusivity sometimes don't work? Have they learned to not over generalize every conservative as some alt right? That the border crisis isn't just some alt right talking point only?

@Yimpa 🤣

@mrPixel Sure, I partly agree you may need some dating and sex experience, but I'm also arguing that we have too much sexual liberation like Only Fans and porn. Too much skin, onl;y fans and porn /=/ healthy relations or healthy marriage, in fact those poly relations leads to more sexual degeneracy and break down f ACTUAL healthy monogamous relations, but that's a different argument for later.

@mrPixel It's a hard balance to strike. Being too for the truth will make you unpopular and fringe, but being too charismatic makes you fake. From my contemplations debating happens due to 2 egos having fundamental differences in their preferred lies they believe in. In order to make their beliefs and lies believable, they have to consensus reality around debate topics with an audience to persuade. Which is why I claimed rhetoric strength, in actuality, is what gets you somewhere than blunt truth. I wish it was different but it's the way of debates go, the way of SURVIVAL. To that end, best case we can hope and have faith for, is a smaller democracy. Like a Margaret Thatcher mixed with some democracy, like the Romans. Speaking about her, that's that I kind of mean with a smaller democracy being good and better than larger ones because we needed a decisive leader. During the Falk Island wars most of cabinet was divided and bickering about going to war with Argentina over Islands GB has. Margaret Thatcher decisively leads them to that conflict, because Argentina invaded those Islands that had some British people there. Not responding then would be seen as weakness by Argentina and they could've done worse.

@Etherial Cat Completely divorced from reality of what Feminism, multiculturalism, egalitarianism, and secularism has down to most westernized countries. In fact these lofty ideals you all have need enforcement by men to work.

@aurum Stop fear mongering about Trump, he won't win. Unlikely he'll win. Just because Leo posts some raving blog post ranting about Trump, doesn't mean you should copy Leo.

@nerdspeak Don't over generalize me or my positions. I'm not saying we should bring all women as home stay wives only. I'm saying we should fix the high divorce rates happening right now! And the declines in birthrates you lot are denying right now! And the toxic work culture that's destroying South Korea and Japan for example right now! And I say we do that by limiting democracy, multiculturalism, feminism, and egalitarianism. By limiting those we'll have lesser divorce rates, more chances for people to marry and have families, and boost the economy of most western countries. Also, with an increase in native birthrates Neoliberals and capitalists will have fewer excuses to destabilize 3rd world theocracies and add to mass immigration.

@mrPixel Me? I'm more central right here. My gripe is to not swing too much right or too much left, in this case it's out of left field. Yes, me too. The left need to stop going far left. What they need is to be grounded in reality, and just limit the democracy down. More senates, less voting powers. In fact American government needs some systemic changes to it to optimize for more limited democracy. A smaller democracy will get things down faster. Yes, unfortunately it's a culture war of those wanting more declines of birthrates, more divorce rates, more broken family homes and single parent households, more orphanages, more feminism/multiculturalism/egalitarianism, more capitalism. It's crazy.

@zazen Yeah, Godzilla did have a minor disagreement with Japan, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Shame Americans then and some now did not figure out that Godzilla was the evil Americans that crippled Japan with it's nukes. It's not an allegory of nukes and radiation, it's an allegory of America bullying Japan into an unconditional surrender. Having said that, Imperial Japan is also fucked up, which makes this a hard argument to have because we're arguing at least between 2 empires that're evil in their ways, and having to choose which of the lesser to side with. Well, actually not a choice for Japan to adopt American ideology, it was forced onto them by that unconditional surrender.

@Epikur I agree, most normal people just want a life improvement advice or just personal development. Not advanced spiritual mind bending infinity, they are not ready for that. Only the most open minded 'truth seekers' out there I guess.

@mrPixel High divorce rates=financial ruin as 50% is handed to the divorcing wife, and depending on your finance it's a bad outcome. Declining birthrates in your country=need to destabilize foreign countries that're 3rd world theocracies, which reproduce their replacement numbers and still have a strong robust tradition and family values, unlike most westernized countries, and contributing to mass immigration. Declining birthrates in your own nation and country means higher need to outsource labor, meaning Neoliberalism and capitalists can now be more predatory on foreign countries. Declining birthrates also partly happen because too much choice and freedom, and an increasing self destruction of a nation, which then breeds anarchy and chaos. American exceptionalism and American imperialism worldwide is bad because Neoliberalism tends to destabilize foreign theocratic countries and prevent other countries from potentially rising up to be a relative competitive peer to USA. USA wants to be the only superpower at all costs. Just look at Haiti for example.

@mrPixel No, to be better at debating you just need to appear rhetorically superior to your opponent. Just ask Hassan that. Debating really is a persuasion game, and Trump in this specific moment appears slightly better. That being said I still don't think he'll win, and this apocalypse mindset from the lefties fearing he'll win is just stupid.

@nerdspeak No, the problem in westernized countries is rampant high divorce rates, declines in birthrates, and the erosion of traditionally/conservative values. Too much feminism, egalitarianism, liberalism, and individualism run amok gets you to those problems of declining birthrates, high divorce rates, single parent broken households, and thinking American imperialism secularism is fantastic. It's not when it's too much, go see South Korea, Japan, Russia, and a few more countries for that.

Oh my god! This presidential debate just sucks overall! But at least from a debate and rhetoric standpoint, Trump is slightly better.

@Etherial Cat But you did personally attack me, and vilify me instead of addressing the delusion and denial rampant in left leaning circles that too much feminism, too much liberalism, too much multiculturalism, too much individualism and democracy, too much secularism, too much capitalism, all equals high divorce rates, decline in birthrates in most western societies, and broken homes and single parent households! Why don't you question their beliefs instead of finger pointing at me and my supposed ugly unattractiveness?!

Great example of mostly stage blue thinking and religious literal thinking:

@Vrubel Yes, America is doing fine with it's decline in birthrates, high divorce rates, and breaking down of family and traditional values. It's fine with the multiculturalism, feminism, egalitarianism, and hyper capitalism running amok. It's great when it's spreading to other westernized countries.

@lostingenosmaze Based on developmental factors, facts, statistics and logic are from more stage orange values. The function of logic and facts/statistics is to use numbers and numeric value and disassociate yourself from the situation. Numbers and data can be used to distance ourselves, make it more impersonal and less personal, especially when one event was so traumatic that depression, derealization, and disassociation is one way to cope with it. Having said all that, stats and data have their uses as well. Averaging the information and numbers, finding the aggregate of other variables, it's good to have data and statistics for an objective consensus reality. Statistics and data on suicide for example is good because it tells us, approximately, just how many suffer from suicide attempts, suicidation, and suicide deaths per years. Mr. Girl actually had a great video on this, about BLM, and his take on Neil De Gray Tyson on twitter bringing stats, and Mr. Girl saying that him doing that is him trying to distance himself from those events with a wall of logic and numbers, triggering apathy for yourself to protect yourself from the overload of empathy and emotions that'll wave and crush your mind. Yeah that was his communication style then.

One example of maybe a Christian nationalist here, and just to make sense of their point of view: Also this guy has been heckled a lot in that park, for just speaking his view.

@Bobby_2021 That's pretty much true with the CIA and other intelligence agencies, although them having to operate in the dark just feeds this deep state point further. Minus lizard people or UFO greys in the moon harvesting the misery and suffering of mankind as energy. That one's still debatable...

@aurum No, just no. Current polls still show Trump being not popular enough to win. And frankly the only way he'll win is if Biden fucks up, just like how Obama did on his last term, which gave Trump that opportunity. So no I don't buy into this fear mongering at all. Also I still stand by my point that we need a smaller limited democracy, and hybrid of autocracy and democracy. We need more senates seats and limited voting powers, and we need to review how voting is happening right now. There's just too much egalitarianism, multiculturalism, liberalism, and feminism run amok such that most westernized countries have increasing divorce rates, declines in birthrates. Also we should address Neoliberalism, but to do that we need a smaller limited democracy first.