Danioover9000

@RebornConsciousness Do you feel that we've already discussed everything here?

@Roy I think this thread has served it's purpose, and feel that we're just beating a dead horse at this point. Maybe we should lock the thread?

@JJfromSwitzerland Hey OP, how are you lately? Has this thread answered your questions? Never imagined it would get this heated?

@thierry I think he's main weakness is just the arrogant tone in his speeches, which is a double edged sword.

@Nabd Why bring up Peter Ralston for the comparison?

@Schizophonia I also like to conserve my mood and energy.

@Schizophonia Conservation of mind and soul, and nature conservations.

@abundance This is a very interesting video that may answer your questions and address this issue here:

@Schizophonia I'm a conservatively minded person, and chill worldly conservative.

Oh god, seems like the verdict is backfiring:

Is no one going to bring up why Donald Trump is getting charged so close to election day?

@Schizophonia Based on common sense, and my own country, plus worldly knowledge and experiences with different cultures. White privilege may be a thing in the USA, but privilege is anyone group that has ascended into the upper class, by force or by manipulation. And Elon Musk is a billionaire narcissist and highly neurotic, even for someone white in south Africa, which happens to have very rich white people in some positions of power, which happens to mean that they are very wealthy, and power and status and fame tends to corrupt most people, including Elon Musk here who thinks he can Donald Trump Twitter. He's wasting his time when he should be designing the next engineering innovation, but that's fine, let him keep digging his own grave deeper.

@RebornConsciousness I think it's noting that slavery was a thing around the world, before Europeans expanded the slave trade of Africa, that there were slaves in Africa and that the middle east were heavily profiting from the trade: Even though GB was partially involved, they ended up destroying the slave trade.

@Schizophonia I can confirm that this smiley has some evil, or sociopathy to it, definitely too smiley for me, like it's compensating too much. Yeah, a bit autistic from me, but I just thought that the smiley was just an emoji of smiling and sometimes I use this image to convey I'm smiling, but as soon as you pointed out how vertical the eyes are, and how too wide and high the smile is, I didn't realize it then that this image may have been a bit strange, and took this symbol for granted. Shows how distortion and generalization of objects around us, and how our minds abstract stuff is really powerful. On the other hand, ? is a better emoji, as it conveys a cool psychopath, not a bitchy sociopath.

@Schizophonia ?. Why does white privilege not exist for you, and what do you mean when you say white privilege? Also, for literally thousands of years, you say that it's normal for whites to be richer in countries with white majority, isn't that considered privilege for that majority, not just in a country, but in a state, or city, or town, places and regions where whites are the majority? What does having racial preferences in professional environments have to do with Elon Musk? I've travelled the world and been in several countries, and experienced many cultures and sub cultures, while I'm conservative I'm also a cosmopolitan so I've seen not only white privilege in some parts of the USA, but I've seen different privileges. I've also seen different racists too, nationalists and some ethnocentric people. Yes, even in China, Chinese people can be racist to Americans, and blacks too, and even be nationalistic. So, here racism and nationalism are relative to which country and culture. For example, if you're in China or Japan, there'll be some different racial discriminations than what an American goes through, in Japan black people are viewed more valuable in some social settings than white people, and white people sometimes get some covert mistreatment similarly as black Americans do in America.

@Enlightement Why wouldn't compassion and empathy towards those who regretted transitioning inform at least part of your position? Shouldn't their cautionary tales make you at least pause and carefully consider some of your more liberal ideas with regards to transitioning surgery, HRT treatment, puperty blockers in children aged 1-7, and aged 7-14? why wouldn't that empathy inform you that maybe we should increase therapy and psychological assessments for those suffering from gender dysphoria first, before making decisions that may negatively impact the natural development of that child's body? Why should we quicken treatment in younger children, versus waiting for those that suffer gender dysphoria to reach the age of consent first? Why would you make regret distinct from the transgenderism and transrace issue? Why are you assuming my argument is demonizing transgendered people, and not assume I'm arguing for more cautionary actions? We're having an open conversation about this issue here, no? Also I agree we need more research, of children aged 2-14 who are inborn gender dysphoria versus gender dysphoria or being trans due to group ideology, and stats of male/female sufferers of gender dysphoria. But I also think, in addition to more research we need more therapy and psychological evaluation of those suffering from gender/race dysphoria.

@ZoweeZoe What made you assume I was arguing for the general outlawing of Transgenderism and Transrace, and not for more regulations and careful determination specifically with physical surgery transition and HRT treatment and puberty blockers for minors aged 1-7 and aged 7-14? Why can't I argue for more therapy and psychological evaluation for those suffering gender and race dysphoria first before proceeding to puberty blockers, HRT treatment and surgery and removal of sexual organs? Why can't we first wait for them to become of legal age of consent that they then can pursue further gender changing treatment? So, are you claiming that people of different worldviews, different value systems, different cognitive and moral development, different personality types and traits, different lives, when they see trans people or transrace people, that when they feel 'weird', 'icky', 'different', that their feelings are not valid, that if they felt concern for their own safety it's not valid to feel? That they're natural feeling and thinking of discrimination and differentiating between themselves and trans people and transrace people isn't valid, before any action or words are spoken? How is the anxiety and panic around trans people and trans people completely fabricated? What if you saw a child or teen that hasn't heard or encountered a trans person express some panic and anxiety without being exposed to right wing talking points? Or you took a tribesman/tribe woman, and they saw a trans person/trance race person, never told or exposed to right wing talk, would you still claim they're completely fabricated too? What if you took a pit bull, it saw trans people and it barked and tried attacking these people, would you still claim that it's completely fabricated that the pit bull is feeling anxious and panicked? What if you asked a UFO, that when it sees trans people or trans race people or Michael Jackson, what they felt, and they expressed they felt panicked and a bit anxious, without getting told by alt right narratives? How am I getting played, and how is contraceptive care related to my position of being more conservative with treatments? How and why are you comparing this issue of transgenderism and transrace and gender dysphoria with Misogynists manipulating misandrists? What's funny about this comparison?

@Enlightement So, you'll stay in your position of supporting transgenderism and transrace, even if there's some casualties along the way? I'm asking if you care for those that regretted too.

@Enlightement Are you capable of compassion, understanding and empathy to those who regretted transitioning?

@RebornConsciousness I agree, in this issue I'd be conservative minded no matter how the online progressives/socialists call me a Nazi for being concerned.

@Enlightement Maybe historically, but recently it has spiked and gotten worse and out of hand, thanks to the internet.

@ZoweeZoe From my perspective, transrace and transgenderism is an ideology, just like all human concepts and human ways of life, from political, to religious, to group ideology and conformity around cultural beliefs and societal values, they all are ideologies fundamentally. Therefore, I treat them as such, that they are foundationally ideologies to start. Like all ideologies, based on SD stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality type and traits, states of being, ego development, life experiences and other lines of development in life and societal domains, all ideologies are also developmental, meaning that they start off as thought forms, then servitors, then Tulpae, then egregors, and finally becoming god forms, that millions to billions of souls here on earth worship as dogma and ideology. When an idea finally becomes an egregor is where the problem starts, because an egregor is a psychic being fed with attention, time, energy and emotions of that group, overtime each member's ego creates attachments to that idea, which gives it more realness. When it becomes real, then followers and the preachers proselytize and proliferate this egregor, and similar to memetics the idea memes and infects outsiders into being convinced, persuaded into converting as a follower. Finally, at some point this egregor will have amassed enough psychic influence that it uses it's followers and the preachers as proxies for it's SURVIVAL against other egregors and god forms that walk the astral realms, infecting each human with it's ideas. Talk about these ideologies here in the forum, as unbiased as I can be despite my assumptions, and try to talk from a systemic view as a start. When I said that it's irreversible, I'm talking about when you remove the balls and penis of the child aged 1-7 and 7-14 years old, up to teenagers aged 14-18 or 19 depending on age of consent. Unless you know of how to reverse that surgery, of putting back the testicles and penis of the prepubescent child to post pubescent teenage male body? Same scenario with female bodied prepubescent children to post pubescent adolescents. The reason why I say age of consent is that on average that's when most adolescents can conceptualize and logically make sense of their desires close to age of consent. To me, my perspective of your view, I'm sorry, but it's insane to think you have a position that ALL CHILDREN KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. They haven't developed enough in terms of value systems, cognition, morality, personality, psychology, ego, life experiences and other lines of development, even conceptual understanding of the consequences and implications of their desires. They're mostly blank slates that ideologically driven parents, households, and social environments that have right-wing ideologies, to left wing ideologies can indoctrinate into them That's where I have issues with Transgenderism and transrace, when these egregors start affecting millions of minds, trying to compete with other ideologies and ideas in the ethers, trying to become gods themselves, trying to infect and convert others and assimilate them into the egregor's influence. When it becomes a meme on the internet, on public discourse, and isn't treated with care and consideration, without critical thinking, without consciousness, that's when it's problematic.

@abundance It's because of SD stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types and traits, states of being, ego development, life experiences and other lines of development in personal life to societal domains, and ideological indoctrination from upbringing. Musk's upbringing is from an upper class family in South Africa, and due to his white privilege, high status, and some fame even then, this has effected his development into staunch stage orange/blue, some red. Cognitively bias and development is that of a rich person, in terms of money and material value and more left brain thinking, whilst morally he's at least egocentric and only concerned with family maximumly otherwise why align with alt-right wing ideology? Personality traits from my observation is openness-introversion/extroversion-conscientious-disagreeableness-high in neuroticism and narcissism due to inflated self image and self importance other others due also to his billionaire lifestyle., personality type to me is sentinel or logician. State of consciousness is simple- a business man, views the world in transactions and money value, has to feel self aggrandizing. Ego development to me he's mostly opportunist, may be conformist but if it's convenient to appear so to other CEOs and powerful people. This is why we need to develop systems and checks in place to deal with those higher in the hierarchies of society, because the higher you climb or start, the increase in narcissism, neuroticism, and personality traits from the dark Triade(psychopathy, sociopathy, narcissism, Machiavellianism, sadism, masochism, deep jealousy ect.), because, while these traits exist for good reason within the structure, sometimes in the wrong context and misalignment can be detrimental to those involved or those underneath the rungs.

@ZoweeZoe Trans children? Don't you mean children suffering from gender dysphoria? Do you not see transgenderism as an ideology? Do you not see that the medical industry benefits and profit from confused dysphoria children? They start taking puberty blockers, or undergoing physical transitions, removal of the penis and balls, adding boobs, HTR treatment that alters the natural hormonal and endocrine system in the biological male body, and biological female body, such that it can sometimes have knock on effects that may be negative and sometimes irreversible? That's a cash cow for the pharmaceutical company because some percentage of the population suffering like this, is likely to need to seek a therapist, maybe a psychiatrist, and buy pills to relieve whatever depression or mental stress caused from prior treatments have. I don't care as long as your body your decision is from age of consent, and that you're adult and are responsible, here I'll accept it's your choice and hope it's right for you. Below age of consent, especially the age range of children 7-14 years old is when it's tricky and we need to be more careful. I'll never accept and willingly suffer disagreements if you think ages 2 to 7 years child can go through the full treatment, too early, and they need more life experience and actually go through developmental stages, and develop in SD stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality typing and traits, ego development, states of consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development.

@JJfromSwitzerland I don't think so, he had a stage accident where his hair caught fire, and suffered third degree burn of his scalp. Had to take medications to alleviate the pain, and around this time he was having some kind of dysphoria, and decided to spend a lot of money to undergo surgery to change his skin color. Definitely other factors involved in him changing his race, mainly psychological.