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How can I access them? His site is down @Leo Gura

@Danioover9000 I haven’t read through most of the replies on this thread, so I’m not really sure what drama you’re speaking of. All I know is that I copied the title of the linked article and made that the title of this thread.

No one is. @Danioover9000 is simply projecting.

The point I’m trying to make is that even enlightened individuals are vulnerable to suffering if they lose their health. Nothing about that argument is of bad faith, but you seem to think so. @Danioover9000

Bad framing in what sense? @Danioover9000 The point is that even enlightened individuals are not immune to the suffering that results from health problems, which is a completely valid point to make. And something that many people need to be reminded of.

Did you meet that girl at a club? She must be very beautiful to be spoiled with such a gift. Seeing an average-looking guy like you pull a girl like that has given me hope that pickup might work for me. @Leo Gura

@Leo Gura If I were in a radical state of consciousness that is fully grounded in the infinite self, then maybe I would be immune to that level of suffering (as some of these monks seem to be).

@Leo Gura Idk what consciousness is capable of, that's why I'm asking you.

@Leo Gura What do you think about this?

@Princess Arabia I define suffering as mental resistance to pain. If I slowly cut your leg off with a chainsaw, you'll feel the pain but you'll also resist that pain mentally.

Yea, it's certainly possible to not suffer minor degrees of pain. But what about severe pain? Like me taking a chainsaw and slowly cutting your leg off. No matter how enlightened you are, I think you'll suffer mentally if I did that to you. @Princess Arabia

I don't think those monks are faking it. They've trained thousands of hours to enter a state of consciousness that has allowed them to transcend suffering. @Yimpa

We're just having a discussion, not fighting. @Princess Arabia

@Leo Gura Can it get worse than literally burning yourself alive with gasoline? I mean if it's possible for a monk to not flinch in a situation like that, then it does seem as though that monk has transcended suffering altogether.

@Leo Gura Do you think this is true? I remember in a podcast Ken Wilber mentioned that monks burnt themselves alive with gasoline and didn't flinch at all. So maybe it is possible to transcend suffering altogether, including suffering brought on by severe health complications.

I look at pain and suffering in the same way. I don't think anyone, including someone who is "enlightened", will not suffer mentally from the extreme sensations of pain that can result from lack of health. @Princess Arabia

I don't think anyone is immune to suffering the extreme sensations of pain that can result from lack of health. @Princess Arabia

@Princess Arabia If you read the article linked to this post, you would know that Sadhguru was suffering from severe headaches for several days. He then checked himself into a hospital, where massive bleeding in his brain was detected.

The point is that a lack of health will lead to suffering no matter how enlightened you are. I think that does need to be said because many people are under the illusion that enlightenment will lead to the elimination of suffering, but that's simply not the case so long as you're surviving as a finite self. @Princess Arabia

so long as you are not using the term to reduce someone to their looks, as if that's the only thing that matters about who they are as a human being, then it's fine to use that word for all practical purposes. @Leo Gura

@Leo Gura do you feel comfortable calling women ugly? Don’t you feel that’s bit of a derogatory term.

how do you typically dress when going out? @Leo Gura

But Owen cook’s dress does? @Leo Gura

@Leo Gura so then why do some of these supposedly successful pickup guys have a wild sense of dress if it were working against them?

@Leo Gura dont some girls like an eccentric-looking guy who dresses like he’s the shit? look at mystery man for example.