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So humans seem to have all kinds of stories of "where I came from and why", from Purple myths to Blue religious texts to Orange science and perhaps Tier 2 metaphysical ideas etc. These stories play an important role in our minds in an existential sense. The surviving entity needs a role / identity with a past and a future - there needs to be something that survives in order to survive. Survival is kind of a strange loop perhaps. Perhaps what we are doing here with our spirituality stuff is simply trancend these stories, see them for what they are (stories) and choose what brings greater feeling and inspiration. The trancended self itself has no story / purpose / meaning / survival, but gives life to them. Am I starting to 'get it'?

Hehee that kinda reminds me of a two dimensional representation of a sphere in fourth dimension. Them new agers gotta love it.

So... In order to experience one's true self, one first has to forget the true self and mistake oneself as something else. This is the only thing for the Absolute Nature "to do" with it's infinite 'time' and being. And here I am, in a world of this and that, right and wrong, loss and gain, losing and winning, pain and pleasure... etc. The delusion. Correct? But when one remembers... How can one still "stay", or keep experiencing, but not mistaking? How is it possible that one can remember and then forget again, awaken and "come back"? How is it possible that you may ingest DMT and such, and still "come down"? Can one still "play" after one remembers and doesn't mistake it anymore? I quess I'm just afraid that it's all going to end. @Leo Gura @allislove @Nahm

@allislove @Nahm Assuming true self is Love... These are conditions. Hence, not true self. Case closed

So... There has lately been a lot of talk about climate change in Finland. Extinction Rebellion held a few protest here, by blocking certain roads for a day or two. Their goal is to have the government declare climate emergency and make Finland carbon neutral before 2025. (2025 is kinda silly imo but at least they got a vision) The right-wing and others opposing XRs protests naturally arguments just like everywhere else, childish low-conscious stuff, nothing new. Although there seems to be this one argument I wish to have some clarity on. They basically say that even if Finland managed to become carbon neutral, this would have no effect whatsoever on a global scale. Finland has such a low population number and carbon footprint compared to the "big ones": China, US, Russia and such. So they say it's a useless goal. I get their argument, and I see some truth there, but here are my thoughts: first of all, this is self-deception. Such thoughts are just shoving the responsibility for someone else, out of sight. "It's not me, it's YOU!" , forgetting the "us-ness" of the situation. And secondly, I think that even though our carbon neutrality would have a miniscule effect, I would find it smart for Finland to be one of those countries who figures out how to do it, how to effectively and smartly achieve carbon neutrality, so that the big ones might learn something from us. What and how & how not. IMO this would be a beautiful vision for Finland. What do you guys think about this? Do you think it would be smart for us to start pushing for carbon neutrality? Is this a smart vision, or a stupid one?

Perhaps this basically already is the case. Maybe always has been. The actual 'system' of worldwide government, the 'physical action' so to speak may not be, but the unified consciousness is. The smaller holons are there, and it's ingrained in them to seek for / build a greater holon, and even greater after that. It's in our collective unconscious, written in our DNA one could say. The 'worldwide government' could be thought as a line, or a direction of the development of the mankind. See how similiar we all are? Like literally, same kind of values, same kinds of ideas, same kinds of gods, same developmental stages... We are already internally governed. @Leo Gura how you like my thoughts? Am I onto something?

@Nahm ?? Much appreciated

Thank you much ?

If everything in fact would be mind-stuff, what experience would these thoughts create? If everything were mind-stuff, would these thoughts hold any validity whatsoever?

Where have you gotten this idea that materialism has any legitimacy to it whatsoever, that there is any point trying to disprove it, as if there was any debate on the matter in the first place? Perhaps try to explain "materialism" and then this "idealism" as simply as possible. Write down exactly what you think they mean. Leave nothing out. Deconstruct both. Make them a bunch of thoughts with no actual basis whatsoever. Have you read Jed McKenna's Theory of Everything?

Absolutely nothing. Quite contrary, actually. That was my whole point.

Just look how you truly feel about it. Recognize the possibility that there is nothing bad, shallow, ugly, dirty or shameful about casual sex whatsoever. Why would you ever choose to view something as beautiful and fun as sex between consenting adults as something to feel bad or restricted about? You really think that this is your own values and feelings, or something you have just innocently adopted when growing up? Why even think about it at all? Why is this a problem? Why did you write this post? I bet you got a feeling in the gut about this. You know that something is off and you are looking for what feels right.

Got 'em right in front of me. This is going to be an interesting summer.

In direct experience, if you really look deeply and try to find "a thought" or "a mind", there is really nothing there, right? I always thought that imagination would be like a mind-thing. But what if the mind is imaginary? Holy shit guys. Get what I mean? The mind, or thoughts, are just an appearance. But it really is not "there". Imagination is not grounded in the mind. The mind is being imagined. O_O

@Mu_ We had a conversation in this thread right? It seems to have dissappeared. Am I going crazy?

I mean that there is literally no thoughts arising in actuality. It just seems like there is. Can't explain how it's possible. I kind of just sense/am it.

Me too. Considering all thoughts and the mind are in actuality "not there", and imagination is groundless, there is really Nothing left.

Yep. This changes everything.

What exactly would China or Russia gain from attacking the US? Well, it's not land. It could be oil, but it would make a lot more sense to have some minor wars in the middle-east, not a full-on world war which would probably mean losing more oil and money than gaining. The goal could be a global economic domination, but I don't think so. China has no problem making money I reckon. They probably have a lot better schemes to attain resources than an open war with another superpower. For me this sounds like that stupid Fox News propaganda. It's like they think that a global war would be some kind of middle-school playground show-off, where stupid little boys fight to see who's the boss. You get what I mean? Kind of silly.

Wouldn't call this awakening. For the sake of communication, let's say I've been growing quite fast. Been bursting them bubbles. It's becoming quite clear that there is no end to me, this awareness. There is no bottom to the bucket, so to speak. It is very freaky when the sense of self and reality starts melting away. Naturally, I'm scared of it. I'm afraid that I will go completely crazy or even die. It's so radical. I feel like I'm too young and not ready for this. If I can't pay my bills, clean my house or keep normal routines, how on earth am I supposed to deal with this? I don't really even want "awakening", or this reality-melting-away. I always wanted simply to be happy, at peace. I'm kind of hesitant to say this, but I don't really even care for truth per se. I just want to feel good. Propably gonna say good-bye to this "spiritual" identity soon. Starting to see it was all just games. A stupid little game for a naive teenager. It's just making me more anxious and confused. What to do...? You guys have any good grounding methods or something?

Yeah. Just can't form a habit out of it. Maybe I should try it more often.

I've found that when in this terror, focusing on the energy of some teacher or a friend I really like and trust, helps. Ramana Maharshi sure has good vibes. Thank you

I'm happy to hear that I'm not the only Finn here. It's quite hard to find spiritual people in Finland who are not these new-agey types. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't really resonate with it. May I ask how old are you? I might PM you at some point if I feel like it!

That's the funny thing. I've never really done any "work". I've never had a meditation routine, for example. Self-inquiry comes very naturally to me, so I've managed to 'get here' without much effort. I recognized my own and others' suffering at quite a young age, so I eventially kind of just stumbled upon this stuff. Psychedelics I've done a couple of times, tho.