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@Elisabeth Yeh it was a joke haha. But I get you

@Elisabeth I am just stupid, never mind lol

I understand that you are new and kind of wanna know everything as perfectly as possible but... Maybe try using your common sense a bit more? If you think about your questions before asking them, you are gonna end up finding much more accurate answers and also much better questions. Other people CAN help you along the path. Maybe if you reach some super high state of consciousness, you wont need people for happiness, but if you dont achieve it before you go insane, its gonna be bad... Charisma and social skills are great, lacking them causes way too many problems and limitations.

@Ampresus Yeh, just trust the girl, condoms are useless anyways Why would you have sex with someone you dont trust in the first place?

It seems almost like everyone can create a thread similar to this and just copy paste from Leo's video and other teachers... Can you somehow prove that you arent just bulshitting us here? I have never heard an Enlightened being say about themselves that they are Enlightened...

@Annoynymous It took my around a year and a half. I understand its very hard and painful path, but when you finally overcome it, you will look back with a laughter. Try Katie Byron's techniques, they can really help! Also Leo's video help too, if you actually do the exercises and listen to him carefuly. It might not be like a sudden realization, but its worth the long and complicated journey.

Hey everyone, I had one of the greatest and most painful ego backlashes today! You might remember, that I was looking for some advice about SD tier 2 dating advice and considered myself yellow/green. This is gone now. I tried to contemplate it, but it had no results, except when I directly bumped into it. I like to talk about SD with friends who seem at least a little interested, I even started to build a community around it, even though I am starting to realize, that I need to grow myself more in order to do that effectively, even though its a great life purpose, that I might return to later. I might even find a better one on the way. Some of the people were telling me, that I am blue/orange person and that its actually quite normal and even good for a person in my age to be moving into orange, but after the examples that Leo showed me, I couldnt agree that I am in the same colour as Mr Krabs and moralizing priests, but I was still trying to think about it, never actually throwing this possibility away. I realized that I am probably brainwashed by all the compliments people are giving me. And then things started to happen, it was like the whole universe wanted to get me out of that ego trap. I started overusing Leos technique for getting rid of addictions, that it turned into an excuse for overeating, skipping meditation, skipping breathing exercises etc... I also started to listen to what people are saying less, because I always assumed that I have something to teach them, it was like prejudicing that they want to learn with me, even if they actually dont. Even though I remained quite open to the things that some of my addicted friends are telling me, I was essentially looking down on them. That was when I was speaking to my friend, who is really into partying, drinking, dating multiple boys at once etc... We were having quite a serious talk and she seemed very empathetic at that time, as she was trying to get something from me, and she also wanted to know, why do I seem so nerdy nowadays, so I told her about SD. She basically believes that it works, but she immidiately questioned me, when am I getting out of this narcissistic blue. I was like no way, this shit is completely non-sensical. After that, I kind of regretted that I told her about it, but it wasnt a big concern of mine, I was continuing with my „getting rid of addictions“ and „teaching“. I just felt like direct experience is the key to getting over something, but I couldnt say stop, when it was probably right to do so. I was also not considering the fact that my friends might have to live through some situation in their life in order to be willing to listen to me voluntarily. I just couldnt stand the idea that they are gonna stay in lower colours for the rest of their lives. Some people stopped hanging out with me, some got really interested actually, but more of them thought that I am a crazy narcissistic deep blue person. (because I dont seek pleasure probably) Some of them tried to indirectly tell me, that I should stop, but I dont udnerstand many things, especially indirect communication of the opposite sex, so I kept joking around it and being sarcastic, even though it wasnt funny for them at all. That was the first moment, when I realized that I might actually be egocentric and bossy. After that, when I got quite sick from the overeating problem, my dad, who doesnt eat particularly healthily, but he seems to be healthier than me for some reason, even though he drinks and smokes, asked me, whether I am planning to stop this circus anywhere soon. I answered that he doesnt see the big picture and I just wanna have some break from eating, because i feel like it. Then we were talking about diet and lifestyle basically, he is quite biased and blindly believes science, demonizes Leo and stuff, but he was right about the fact that he has always been supportive and I am just running around, trying out new things, so he has to adapt and that I should be more social and do some sport or exercise more. (I am 15, living dependently on my parents) That convinced me, that I am just as full of shit as he is. This was happening with multiple people every day and then I was talking about my being-consciousness experience, which sounds like a narcistic perspective for the people, who dont understand it - basically you love everything around you, including „yourself“. It was the same girl, who told me, that I was a narcissist, at that point, I was quite needy for help and she was willing to slap my ego hard. She told me, that the colours are fucking annoying and that I should wait for orange to come. When I thought about that, I discovered that I probably understand some yellow models, but I take them as the truth and that I am basically worshiping Leo and other teachers that I watch. I see beyond materialism, but I cannot afford to, I am still stuck in the lower stages of Maslows hierarchy and havent fully transcended most spiral stages, including beige level thinking, by which I mean diet and exercise. This means, that I probably am thinking in a blue/orange way and that I was basically inside of a paradigm the whole time, even though I had some very great results from the practises Leo gave me and my mood has increased immensely. This all might be a bit exagerated, and I am conscious that my friend is also biased by some orange beliefs, but... yeah, I have a lot to learn even from these people. I am probably not as narcissistic as some other people, but I used to be one and it probably still reflects in my behavior. This has hit me really hard and I am basically screwed, as I learnt, that I am not qualified to help others yet, even though I felt like building a community and my green values are irrelevant and unrealizable, until I grow myself more. So... my question is: How the hell do models work? Did I get it at least a bit more right, than the previous time? Are there any holes in what I am saying? Which things might be useful for me to learn about, in order to get rid of this problem? I will probably start taking things one by one, starting with diet, exercise, finally everyday meditation practise and relationships with my friends and family. (My parents are very supportive and understanding, but I still need to learn more about them. The relationships with friends arent as bad as I made it seem, I am still one of the more popular people, but I am just having a dark period now) I also need to find balance in life, especially between talking and listening in conversations and family and growth. Any other comments/suggestions?

@Equanimitize Thanks so much, I never got a hairy chest, so thats probably the man I was looking for.

Hey guys, I have finally fixed most of the things that were causing me the majority of the problems I had and now I wanna go back to improving my health, as I have been going on binges and stuff like that... What are the ACTUAL VALID resources like books, articles, podcasts to learn about health? Its sooo chaotic... I will probably convince my parents to buy me Leo's booklist so I can read that but I dont think its gonna be enough you know

You need to go to the middle one, instead of the left one...

@YoYoYo I cant believe you didnt do almost any inner work while doing all this haha

We love you Leo, its a pity you dont go to Europe I wouldve got you a great audience!

Leo is right, try taking on 1 or 2 only at the same time... Maybe you will still keep failing for few weeks, but it will be worth it

Pain by itself is obviously not good. Its a tool, the greatest people have suffered the most. If you handle your pain well, you are gonna become so mature and enthusiastic. Just contemplate it, why would you ever want to feel pain? Why would you ever crave for going to the past, when its impossible? Be a man... I used to be just like you, until my friends told me that its too much. I experienced the exact same thing. I hope these tips will help you become a better version of yourself!

@Serotoninluv I see... Thanks man, much appreciate that! The direct experience and self-experimentation is still crucial, even when I know this all at this young age... I am probably failing to understand that.

@Serotoninluv I actually thought that the transition is very logical, its obvious that true emotional mastery is impossible in the other stages... We basically do everything in order to be happy, even if we dont do anything, we do it to be happy. If Enlightenment meant endless suffering, why would we puruse it? (it cannot really be pursued, but... you know what I mean) Its just quite hard to distinguish very smart orange and yellow. If I am genuinely open and understand the systems and complexity of the world, how is that orange/green? I always saw these colours like self-biased and ideologostic... I am super lost now... I listen to many turquoise and yellow level teachings...

@Shiva@Pure Imagination @Serotoninluv Thanks man, I have started to see that myself, but still, its a part of getting out of biases and ego traps. I deeply resonate with yellow values and I have had experiences of being consciousness and unconditional love. I understand many different systems, I am very open and compassionate, I love contributing the world by motivating other people to self-actualize as well. But still... people say that its almost impossible for me to be this high in the spiral, even though I am very smart and talented... I can also say what were my deep blue, deep orange and deep green periods like... But still...

@Serotoninluv You seem to understand the Spiral very well, do you think you can tell me, how can I actually know, what stage am I in? I was thinking about myself as a yellow individual as well, but many people say that I am just transitioning from orange to green. I am definitely not blue, even though I have things to transcend there, just as most people do. My main problem is that I dont understand, how can for example a blue person have orange values or orange person have green values, it seems so contradictory... I know that reality is very contradictory, but how does the model actually work then? I am very compassionate and I have a desire to grow, but its not some kind of dogmatic kind of desire, like Tai Lopez kind of stuff. Orange just seems like a flexible and healthier blue to me... How can this statement trick me? What are the things to develop in green and orange, mabe even blue? How do I know if I am yellow? It is getting soooo complex... Leo's videos stopped making sense, at least his SD series...

@Pure Imagination I cannot really help you man, but keep it up, I resonate with you! I am working on the same thing, figuring out, where I belong on the spiral, building a self actualizing community at the moment, I am also very very motivated!

@Elisabeth I meant growth without bias. The technique they use to grow has to grow too...

Hey guys! Lately, I have been thinking about having a relationship, in order to get even more support and the classic Napoleon Hill type of sex drive motivation. I think that if I would find someone, who would resonate with me, it could open up a whole new dimension of growth. The problem is, that I am 15, there are no yellow girls in my age - the country I live in is very blue - and I am generally not attracted to the girls from tier 1 of the spiral. I am also not that good with girls, even though I am not as terrible as I used to be. I dont think this is some kind of solution to all my problems, but the thing is, that there might be something to it, you never know without trying. If I find such a girl, probably later in my life, I should probably be ready for that... Do you have any suggestions? Does anybody have a similar issue?

@Elisabeth Thanks Elisabeth! I am actually starting to build a community and I will travel around the Czech republic, talking about Spiral dynamics and other interesting topics... I will probably find someone, but thats not the goal... I have 2 people who are quite serious, but... I need more. I dont want to find a partner this way, but its possible and it could give me an actual evidence, that people like this exist. Of course, growth is not everything, colour isnt everything and I cannot find the perfect princess. But I wont be satisfied with a typical orange girl, I know way too many of girls like this. Green would probably do, but I am generally not attracted to anyone at the moment, I dont know if its a problem... And as I am going deeper, I actually think that I dont understand SD as well as I thought. If a person has a desire to grow and live meaningfully, that actually says a lot about him/her, its not as simple as some of the people here think it is.

@Lynnel I am seriously open to that, but... I am super lost... What are the differences, between the stages? When blue can act like orange, but actually be blue... it seems so contradictory, I feel like even after reading the book and speaking about it with more developd friends, I am still lost... How can I actually know, if I am colour X? From Leo's videos, it seems easy to just have the values of a priest, businessman or a hippie, it feels like I have had these periods already in my 15 year old life... What actually tells me, that a person is for example blue, when he/she acts like orange or green? How do I even achieve yellow? What other models should I study to grasp the whole meaning?

@Michael569 Thanks Michael, I think I have an illustrated book in my bookshelf actually... There might also be some great books in the local library, thanks!

@Hellspeed Thats interesting, it seems kinda true... How do I achieve that? I dont know anything about chakra... any recommendations?