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I think the episode is pretty good. This concept of discarding values that are low-consciousness and cause suffering and violence, being able to see them as meaningless and then creating your own imagined sense of values that help you and others lead better lives is profound. Psychedelics can help with this, if you do not fall into the trap of becoming depressed but instead continue to live a self-actualized life, reclaim your higher responsibilities as a human etc.

Zeroguy is restricted from posting, I hope he changes his view.

@Harlen Kelly That is a very simplistic view you have. It is unfair how this male dominated forum judges girls so quickly for things that might be fine. Especially when context is not provided.

@Harlen Kelly You are making so many simplifications. It might not be simple. Masturbating to porn is not even the only thing his girlfriend get mad about and OP did not mention what else he does, this can be heavily biased. If I fail to be comfortable in bed and I do not communicate with my girlfriend what I like, what turns me on and so on, I just lie there, and then after we are done, I go to the other room to watch porn, I would consider it normal that she is mad. If I avoided being creative and focused in bed and instead escaped to porn and just used her as escapism, same. If we are having a long distance relationship in covid times and it is hard to spend as much time together as we would like, therefore I watch porn to satisfy my sexual needs and she gets mad, I would question that, communicate, then maybe I would start feeling awkward about it. If I was spending a hell lot of time with this social media friends and avoided my girlfriend, same. There are nuances to this.

@Harlen Kelly My problem is, it is not obvious from what the OP wrote whether it actually is a toxic behavior. And so many people here started assuming it is without even questioning it.

I suspect many of you guys do not actually have experiences with relationships that are intimate and include healthy, honest communication.

I mean you can literally kill people by doing game, the fear is not as irrational as you think, some people live with their grandparents for example.

@Forestluv Thank you for fighting this uphill battle. I have become aware of this myself recently, I hope I can be a good teammate.

Has anyone here considered that it might not be toxic behavior? I mean you only have so much information from what the OP has mentioned. While I don't consider porn cheating and I don't think it is an issue in terms of emotional attachment and stuff like that, it can affect a relationship in other ways and there are many examples of where porn affected a relationship in a negative way. Perhaps the girl is afraid of that and needs to communicate. Also maybe she just cares about pleasing her boyfriend and maybe thinks, because of some personal experience perhaps, that him watching porn means that she is not good enough in bed for him and she genuinely wants to improve by again, communicating. I guess watching porn is more understandable from this perspective during a pandemic, when people cannot see each other as often for obvious reasons, but if people spend a lot of time together having sex and then one of them wants to watch porn, there might be an issue.

I think it only creates problems if you try to understand gender is binary or a some sort of opposites. While you might perceive one person as the polar opposite of another person from some perspective, it is not possible to describe some other people that way, although they might have similar characteristics.

@JohnIsDoe Do you think she is good in bed?

So relatable lmao. I am not sure whether this is actually you experiencing psychic powers or just the LSD manipulating your thoughts into a kind of mystified version of them. For example you might be wanting to use language to communicate on distance, but instead your LSD mind goes like: Oh, I transform a thought into a sound effortlessly and my neighbor can therefore see my thoughts, what magic! It is really unclear where reality ends and imagination begins if you know what I mean. x) In my experience, this insight showed me just how amazing the mind is and how important it is to use imagination in everyday life in order not to go insane.

@Jon_Bundesen Yeh I find that often the environment that you create around yourself can pull you down. Leo talks about this in terms of spiral dynamics, how society helps you to reach a stage very fast but then slows you down as you evolve above that stage. For example when I was in our isolated school campus in India full of hippies, it was much easier to keep the young spirit going, but then when I came back home it became harder with more responsibilities and people around who are not as lively. It really is an all time active process and if you are serious, it never stops, maybe with death, but you can still leave certain things behind you. Try finding a community of motivated people around your area who are aligned with your life purpose. For example I was thinking of starting a student movement that would go against the education system and media, which are very west-centric and xenophobic in my country. But actually somebody did that for me while I was in India so now I am trying to join them in what they are doing and contribute the best I can. Perhaps something like that is also around where you live.

Trying different things to figure out what you want and what your values are can help, because from your interests and values you can create vision, which makes it easier for you to make decisions that you are satisfied with.

@gggkkk It is a stoic book definitely

@herghly I think this was the one and I don't think Leo would remove it. It was one of the ones Leo showed on his website for free.

He mentioned multiple times that he is trying to be more transparent, seen more as an imperfect figure, because so many people here were idealizing him. Now he is trying to mix integrity into the whole thing and it seems to be playing out quite nicely

@Nahm True, but most people are wasting time in online classes anyways and it takes little time and CO2 to connect online. Even though it still sucks ass, international online class > homogenous online class imo.

This is very profound.

@Nahm In my opinion compassion can be taught by dewesternizing the education system. What I mean by that is for example use art and literature classes to understand global issues, people's struggles, analyze them. Consume art from exotic cultures, from different artists, not just white men. Ideally in a class that involves multiple cultural backgrounds of students. Or teaching theatre, theatre can get very spiritual and psychic. But people are only concerned with the sciences and teaching how to use memory instead of imagination.

@Hulia Are you assuming I am justifying the Russian side? As a Czech? We are making stereotypes here and that's all nice. But like I do not believe that the elections in Russia are fair or that the people are not brainwashed to vote for Putin over and over. It is so apparent that it is corrupted. Many Russians suffer because of Putin's elitism and they do not want him, but his power is superior. I was not justifying Crimea and Donbass, I mean Russians already live in peace with Ukrainians in large number in eastern Ukraine, no? And you are also two different states while doing that.

Hey everyone, In reaction to Leo's video about Making Sense Of Jordan Peterson, we thought that it would be a good idea to discuss our understandings and perhaps come up with a body of concrete examples of where Jordan Peterson talks stereotypes and unfair judgement and where he talks wisdom. Be very clear on what you are analyzing and what is your intention and background. Always provide link to what you are looking at. Examples which are generalized or not complete lead to misunderstanding, stereotypes and do not support learning as efficiently. Be mindful of the fact that people do not see your body language or your exact thoughts when reading what you posted, really try to be precise and compassionate with each other here. This thread might be helpful for those who want to integrate spiral stages, especially those who find themselves having a Green shadow or aversion towards LGBTQI+ or feminism. We might discuss what having a shadow means, how integrity is important for people with an audience as large as Jordan Peterson or we might also talk about what communism is. The stage is yours. Just a few guidelines to keep in mind while discussing this: Avoid xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, racism, sexism, castism, toxic masculinity, Incel, Red-Pill, men-hating and other problematic views as we do not want to lock this potentially very useful thread. Be respectful and open-minded to other people's views. We all come from different contexts but other people do not know what kind of context are we coming from when we say what we say. Be mindful of this, explain and be empathetic. If somebody disagrees with you, it does not mean they hate you or want to attack you. Do not only present one-sided perspectives. There is no such thing as an absolutely right or absolutely wrong opinion or representation of anything. Everything in reality has nuances. This is especially true for complex thinkers like Jordan Peterson. While analyzing a video, article or anything else, please try and think of and write from multiple perspectives, not just one. Be mindful of the intended content of this mega-thread and do not post off-topic things like trip reports, non-duality wars etc... Feel free to use different models Leo discusses in his videos when analyzing Jordan Peterson content! Have fun!

@Daniel Lopez The people who design the kind of mainstream education system do not have this understanding, but luckily there are some neo-humanists schools that teach this, for example this one in Indonesia. https://woodschoolbali.com/

@Hulia Of course I mean that. I guess the situation in Ukraine is sadder because Ukrainians from my understanding often understand that the issue is the government, not the people. And Ukrainians and Russians can live peacefully together on one land, unlike Israelis and Palestinians in that area. @Raptorsin7@Eren Eeager I don't think any country deserves to be wiped out from the map if it includes murder and rape. The thing is, Palestinians have no chance of defeating Israel if they are so rich and also supported by the US. Israel was invaded by other Arab nations too, not just Palestine. But like Israel mainly focuses on Palestinians, it cannot afford to focus on all the different countries at once, they are not a minority in their view, minorities are easy to oppress.

@Tim R I understand your concerns. I think this thread is mostly meant for serious people. And definitely the guidelines I set can be disrespected in which case I will lock this thread.