Jack River

@Tony 845I’m what ever you want me to be?

Poor Buddha

Quite a story huh

Did you know him personally? You guys hung out? Can you read minds man?

@Rinne are you enlightened?

@Gabriel Antonio True change is within; leave the outside as it is.” — Dalai Lama nice quote ?

Cultivated kundalini?

@DrewNowsAn experience is the projecting or responding of thought?

The path, suffering, desire, pleasure, psychological time, all me becoming. Isn’t it something

@DrewNowsBut like you said freedom or liberation is not a progression. As Eckhart says it is instantaneous action now. That’s why it’s so rare. Because we always move via time. That’s the issue though.

Yep. Pleasure and fear and desire go together. When I went into fear I had to go into please also. Really both the same.

Yep. That is how thought moves. It measures/compares to what it thinks it should be. This causes defensiveness or self centered like behavior

Psychological time or Becoming/spiral dynamic progression = selfish to keep it real simple dudes.

Remaining in “the now” means no psychological time as means. Good call @DrewNows

Liberation or freedom is instantaneous. That’s my point .

Fosho. Stay with suffering. Yep. He saw that escape made it worse. Desire doesn’t end suffering, seeing what desire causes does. Do you see what I mean? Escape will temporarily soothe the me. Then I am not as interested to solve a problem. Then I get caught in quieting thought as a routine, as in seeking repeated pleasure.

Nice. You set an image that you want to attain that causes conflict/fear. This is what self does to psychologically soothe itself, but it actually feeds its insecurity.

Psychological Freedom is an action now. Action in time via practices and such is procrastination of action dudes. The only way to solve psychological problem is to act now. If I depend on time to solve psychological problem it prolongs it or makes it worse. If I understand thought/self this is all understood. I started with understanding fear. Because I did that I could explore all this without fear creating illusions to hide behind.

People will argue and defend the ways or means that give them hope or validate there own “personal path”. This is the self defending itself. The way or measns is actually that same “me” or self. Thats why when feel the need to protect our personal methods, practices, drug use. If I question those means you took, i question you, as in the “self”. You will notice this with people on here. If I talk about a guru you depend on you feel attacked. If I talk about “your” method you feel attacked. If I talk about self-inquire you feel attacked. That is because we are identified with that way or means. We are identified with thought. All of that is the product of thought itself. The self and the means are the same movement of fear clinging to thought.

The truth is becoming is the reason we are not free or that we suffer, as in fear motivated. Also psychological time and thought go together. Desire looking for pleasure in time. “Me” looking for pleasure in thought. “Me” looking for pleasure in “me”- my self image.

@DrewNows doesn’t psychological conflict basically mean resistance and making this false division worse? If desire is motivating me to become isn’t that fear motivating? Does fear lead me out of conflict/suffering ?

This process or psychological growth or spiral growth is fear in action. As long as our motive comes from fear we are going to be selfish. If I am trying to become something like enlightened, rich, a color scheme of spiral dynamics I am always striving to become. If I am always doing that I am depending on that future state of being. Then there is fear that i might not get it. That makes me grumpy or angry when things don’t go my way...if we really want to be the genuaine psychological becoming has to end. When I seek psychologically that is fear escaping what is, and that means conflict and suffering for me and others around me. The ending of this psychological time will bring a radical change to consciousness one “me” at a time. Just worry about this in yourself. No psychological time dude. Then you are really helping the world.

@Nahm ? its so obvious now dude

Or there is no road to truth. How could there be

Freedom/liberation/or what is acts now. Doesn’t depend on time. Time is the enemy