Jack River

Only thought directs attention to the breath and body. Thought seems to direct attention/awareness to certain areas. That is self/thought concentrating on certain parts. That’s how it works. That is also conflict sustaining. Effort=conflict and conflict keeps the ego/self moving. Ultimately fear resisting what is. To me effort never leads to the ending of time/self. Maybe we see eventually that effort is not the way and drop that, but as far as using fear to end fear, that is a no go. Note...effort=force=concentrated attention/awareness=fear=conflict=self=time.

From what I saw The energy is effort is very limited. When this effort was dropped energy was huge. Then it all came about on its own

@GeoLura what is this effort? Isnt effort a product or expression of this “freewill”?

Effort and the ego are the same.

@Serotoninluv I feel you there..right on!!

Explore into nature of thought itself and not particular systems or philosophy’s.

Is there a such thing as psychological evolution? Aren’t we the same as we were back in the days of old?

Which is why I posted my questions. Pointing at how rationality isn’t rational. And why thought isn’t actually rational.

That’s just the thing brah. It’s not a thing “you” contemplate. Intelligence isn’t somthing you come to. Intelligence or truth can work within the field of reality. Intelligence can also make thought run rational. Intelligence is truly rational. Intelligence is not the product of thought. Intelligence is not “ours”. When the me isn’t there is intelligence. Intelligence is holistic seeing. That holistic seeing is truth that comprehends the totality of reality/thought/time. Pretty groovy my man. ?

Says thought/reality. Reality being ‘res’ is thought thinking about a “thing”. So the above quote is still a product of thought. Lol ..the self and the practice, the process, are the same. To project an end is to project a “thing” which is inherently fixed dude. Freedom or liberation is not something fixed and time is not a means. @Recursoinominado to grasp the nature of thought/self/reality/ and that limitation comes your answers brah.

A dependence on “things” to end the problem that “things” has invented seems kinda like trying to put out fire with fire. Namean?

Doesnt matter what I am saying man. It comes in a flash of insight and that insight sees into the entire structure of self/thought/time. I just meant to give somthing to look into. Maybe I am wrong or maybe not. You will have to explore that yourself. To me it is really obvious now. I use to up to a few months ago smoke the finest ganja. But after this holistic insight all of that came to an end within the second of that insight. One thing I can say though..if your going to blaze it, don’t make it a means to an end. Just chill?

What makes us irrational?

We’re still unable to be rational. To say we as consciousness have even came to a point of rational thinking would be silly. Right dudes?

trans-rational meaning seeing the limitation of thought? Seeing that thought can only go so far. Seeing what limits an ability to be rational. Is that what is meant by trasnsending rationality? Because there is a limit in thought and understanding the limit itself means that thought becomes a lot more rational. I think this would be a first step to consciousness being more united.

No tools invented by thought will heal the psychological “me”. The tools are a product of the mechanism that causes emotional/psychological issues. Any time based movement seems to just agitate emotional/psychological reaction.

When this time loop comes to a stop the unoccupied mind is free to explore. Free will is a contradicting idea invented by thought. When will, desire, fear, time stops then freedom is all that is left dudes. All previous notions invented by thought...throw them away. Start with nothing, because if time ends that’s all that’s left anyhow

Psychological time is the key here. Which means all day everyday watching fear in movement which will arise as desire for pleasure, escaping what is actually happening to you by ignoring, controlling, rationalizing, and looking to thought to self soothe the psyche.

All of the above are assumption based unless time ends. Time as in desire, effort, fear or psychological time/psychological becoming. In that there is silence. I would totally disregard everything you have heard about what you assume. Start with.. can time end? when you pre-assume things to be attained that is projecting your own self invented image. Start with a blank slate brah.

@SoonHei all this is answered when time comes to a stop dude. Nobody can help you.

I wouldn’t actually call it realization. But a holistic seeing. The seeing without concept in the psychological department seems to become more and more default. As in the majority of the time there is an actual seeing withot concept. And the function of thought comes in when needed to do somthing.

Cool thing is we feel that there is division between truth and reality from the standpoint of reality. But actually reality is a function of truth. Pretty cool ?

This seeing, which is truth dissolving falsity/distortion/conceptual screen isn’t the result of practice, exercise, development, ambition/desire. All that is what drives this thought/conceptualizing/distortion. This is psychological time which is fear/desire/“me”. When time as BECOMING stops then you will see that you didn’t DO anything to SEE. Time cannot undo itself dudes. And anything to do with practice, excercise, development ambition/desire is time based. Pretty gnarly when this was seen. It was insight/truth that saw this all in one instance. Not a gradual cultivated realization. That’s why it’s such a mind bender dudes

As long as you need to be guided you will feel lost. Watch the fear/time. Instead of spending time on here asking see if you can see all the disguised fear in your day to day. You will see that fear and thought are one. Start there dude. Nothing else will work man. Freedom from needing answers brah. Stay with “the problem”. Observe!! ?

We get what we want dudes. You aim for a “thing” like enlightenment that’s what you get, a thing, that thing becomes a reality. Reality is distortion. Be aimless my dudes