Jack River

@who chit in feel ya man. That's why I said we start out moving in the pattern of desire anyway. I am just saying why do we say it is necessary to do that? The sooner we see the falsity if that the sooner there is freedom. But for me to say t is necessary to follow in that pattern doesn’t make sense. The fact is we do so anyway. I wouldn’t say it’s a I’m born with it type of thing either. But instead just depending on how we approach this whole thing. If someone would have relayed this message I am giving now to me along time ago I would have been free 9 years ago. We have to see that what we end today as in time makes for a different tomorrow. But if I keep moving in a certain pattern today tomorrow will be the same. Or if we can end this time without trying to use time itself then I think this will become more common is consciousness itself. Just like conciousness became divided it can also end that division.

By the way I like your posts @who chit. Cool style

I also see how we do tend to move on time in the beginning @who chit. Until it's seen that we cannot. Or that time/me/desire is the limitation itself

No because when that habit/“me’ness” is seen through that means that “the observer” is no longer observing. But instead there is an unconditioned observation. Yeah I see that too dude.

It seems the me can’t stop the habit. It is the habit. We three agree with this?

self and desire are the same so self hates to let desire go

I think it comes down to desire. As long as desire is, so is contradiction. And contradiction=conflict/fear. That will one way or another be limited by psychological seeking. This really held me up for a long time.

I too see that eyes open doesn’t lead one to exclude the totality of an experiencing. If I were to close my eyes that would mean I was excluding some aspects of what is.

I see that too. This seems to be because the self is trying to identify with the content of thought. As in religions, methods, and such.

Observation isn't something you do to get somewhere but is the result of the ending of that. You can’t obseve passively until you see and end the pattern of psychological time. See it holistically/actually as a fact. The truth of it.

The point is a method points to a direction of attainment. That striving to attain is psychological time. The self inquiry into the nature of thought if we are honestly not looking for psychological security is not a method but simply an understanding. Understanding thought is not a method. It is understanding the nature of methods, techniques, systems and how they are in essence the self. As in desire seeking pleasure. A means that is then limited by the attachment to the reward. Any doing of desire is reactionary. But awareness without direction is not a reaction. It’s a doing but a doing that comes from intelligence. It's not a cultivated doing/action, but an action as a result of the ending of cultivation/time. The point is are we as ”the me” striving to get somewhere. If so that is a method or a means to an end.

Lol yeah. That movie is funny dude.

Nice man joe dirte lol. I just watched that the other day.

Observation is not a method, practice, routine. It is not the result of thought movement. It’s not cultivation. It’s the ending of that. You know that brah? If you really see the truth of time there is no point in practice

Right dude. Concentration would be the function/movement and awareness is the ground. We no longer think the function/movement is the ground.

No I don’t know what you mean dude. I am only referring to that of thought. Not talking about the unknown or anything. I am with you though man. We are consciousness. I just want to get this out in consciousness for those who want to avoid the conflict of time.

All of the above= time/self

Excaly man. That’s why it’s important to explore the nature of thought/self/psychological time. Conditioning/reconditioning/concentration and desire/fear/thought go hand and hand. It’s really all volition/will/“me”(illusion in movement). Desire is fear and fear is resistance. Resistance=attachment/identification. This all comes in the form of insight. It sees all of reality as one movement. It’s most excellent dude?

It’s a big game thought plays with itself. The cosmic joke dudes. Using conditioned methods to end conditioning is a tradition. This has been going on for thousands of years. Let’s break the contradicting patterns dudes.

@Thesingularity as long as a program influences action it’s never in your favor man. Using desire or concentration to end conditioning or the program. It’s not going to happen.

I understand dude. Thought chooses what info it wants and disregards what it doesn’t. That’s fear reacting and bringing about its bias. I don't want to be reprogrammed brah. Being limited to a program is not very favorable. That is conditioning. Why get rid of conditioning to recondition. That’s not what freedom means. Freedom means not being influenced by the program/conditioning. The program is a tool. But not all important.

Lol

What is psychic energy? Desire? And if so are you in Control of that? Or is psychic energy ”you”, and you think you are different from that that ”you” want to control?

Apply more concentration. Invent and project an image of opening the 6th. More psychological time trying to cultivate kundalini experience

Yep...not very healthy. Using concentration to learn a language.ok??