Jack River

Groovy? . For me intuition or insight sets in when I am silent. I too am new to this. Just about a month now. The more silent the mind the more clearer the insight seems. I do not explore this insight but it comes in a flash when I am not in psychological pursuit. Or not reacting to the field of thought.

Yep. To many variables for thought to consider. That’s why it’s good to be as rational as we can be. That’s why understanding that limit makes thought more coherent. Fosho man. I’m with you. ?

Yep. I’m digging what your laying down dude

To me insight of truth/intelligence sees holistically the whole field of reality/thought. Which means a comprehensive understanding of all its limits. That thebsame for your intuition?

I think we point to truth/intelligence the same way. Only you use intuition and I use insight or holistic perception. Yeah I think I understand what you are saying man.

I feel ya. I figured we were on the same page. Just wasnt sure about the term post rational. Thanks for responses dude?

So Rational thinking is truth/intelligence seeing the limitation of thought. Truth makes thought run straight.

No, what makes rationality irrational?

Fosho..but way makes them irrational?

@cetus56 really gets into the limits of rationality too. Or what makes rational thought irrational.

Yep. It’s great stuff.

I just started watching bohm. He’s the the man?

What makes “rationality” irrational?

Even the real can be false. There is no actual division between the real and truth. The real is a function or a manifestation of truth.

Healthy consciousness means that psychological time doesn’t influence that actions we take. This would mean care is taken with every action because truth understands that everything is mutually dependent. Fosho @moon777light?

Do we want to raise consciousness?, or do we want to end consciousness as we know it?

No. When freedom becomes actual you feel much more responsible to communicate it. I didn’t expect that at all. Lol I am responsible for consciousness.

I feel ya dude. But ego is responsible for how society is now. Ego=society. Our inside state is projected out. Really society is an abstraction. We are both. Society is me/you. And a lot of politics and stuff is my knowledge vs your knowledge and all that. That is identifying with our own experiences. And then we cling to that experience of knowledge to solve a certain problem. But we fight about who solution is better because we sometimes seek psychological security in being right and avoiding being wrong. This means no relationship and we cannot work together. If we could just understand problems without fighting about what solution is better we would end the conflict of opposition of opinions. You see what I mean dude. If we can not cling to or own personal psychological bias we will be able to solve political, economic, and what ever other problems much better. But the fact is this...I am the society.

If you go into the nature of ego/thought you see that all egos are the same. When we talk about ego, we don’t talk about yours or mine, but ego. Opinions will be what we should do about ego. But talking about what happens in the phenomena of ego/thought needs no opinion. Do you see what I mean? There will only be opinions when we are looking to solve a problem according to our own accumulated knowledge...But the kind of communication I am taking about is not that. It is only bringing to attention the fact of what happens in ego/thought. Do you see the difference?

To tell people right from the getgo...Nobody can help you. Then maybe you can go into why you say that.

It’s all good man. When we have these discussions we should be attentive to our own bias/defences. If you really care about conciousness as a whole it is important to share the nature of what causes psychological disorder...you agree? To promote self understanding right? That’s what you want to share?

All we can do is end that pattern in ourselves and not project that onto others. But to say I accept all that because it is inevitable...I won’t do that anymore. Since freedom say in i now feel obligated to not work in that pattern. With freedom we see the how important it is in consciousness. I feel totally responsible for consciousness..I am it.

The ground of being is actual living. ?

It’s actually the most practical thing to do.

By us doing this we then communicate it to others. Then it becomes more common as somthing important for conciousness to value.