Jack River

I personally see practices in the direction of psychological becoming as totally irrational. But from what people say that is realized as a result of applying them. As far as practices like applying thought/rational thinking to solve practical/functional/physical or outward problems that is rational and has its purpose. I would say that actual rational thinking, as in the product of holistic insight, is aware of what makes thought/rationality irrational. I’m not into science but I appreciate it. As long as we don’t think it leads to truth and is depended on to bring psychological satisfaction it’s all good dudes.

I’m not sure if you get what I’m saying but..what did you mean by practices are rational?

Lol ?. Hot girl or old man, oh well. Error will arise when we don’t understand our own limits. From what I see she or he pointed to some of those limits. It’s all good though because when it comes down to it, understanding/self reflection is not given to someone anyway. Nobody can help us. Right pointing/promoting interest in not being dependent on others is a good thing right?

You gone into the limits of self inquiry and rationality? Comprehending those limits brings about a more consistent line of thinking. The understanding of those limits prevents thoughts corrupt nature from corrupting the flow of investigation. David bohm is a good example of a dude who was a gnarly thinker but not limited by that field itself. Because he was aware holistically of thoughts limits.

Then we just use each other and rationalized it as Love. Lol . Pleasure is even worse when rationalized dudes.

Attachment/dependence which is fear is the product of this strategy. In a “relationship”, that is the killer of love/care

Instead of tryitng to cultivate through these “stages of development” maybe we should ask the question of if these stages are actual, and if this process of psychological growth can end all together. Instead of moving within the limited field of time maybe we can transcend that field by one holistic insight into the falsity of gradual progression. Just a question you can ask yourselves my dudes? I mean common dudes, what if freedom is now and this “progression/gradual process is the procrastination of FREEDOM. As in the now. If we move within the field of measure/time don’t we keep that measure/time as a constant?

@cetus56 groovy?

But she also points to the importance of understanding mind/thought/time/self. I think it’s good also because she might be able grab the attention of intellectuals who are enslaved by the tool/mechanism of thought. It is correct that we don’t need an explanation for psychological time to end or to “be liberated”, but some still do not see the limitation of thought/self and moving within time or psychological evolution as being unnecessary and self actually sustaining psychological attachment. She points to important traps like clinging and projecting truth and enlightened action as if it was fixed. Either way she points to what are to me the biggest traps that prevent total freedom. @Emanyalpsid I feel ya though, her communication style can be difficult for people who don’t understand the nature of thought, but she does promote self understanding. Again she may reach intellectuals who are extremely identified with there own storehouse of thought content. In that sense I think her style can be useful.

Nonbeing also referred to as headlessness. Hats off to my bro faceless ?

The particular mind a function of the universal mind. Or thought a function of Truth. Or time movement a function of the ground. Being, the function of nonbeing. ?

Yep the seeing is its own doing?

??? i feel ya dude. For me silence is now the ground and time movement is the occasional function that arises from the ground. Use to be the opposite a month ago. The way it is now seems to be the only way being on the forum is tolerable. It is almost beach time. Good day @cetus56?

The unknown is not understandable nor would it be as sweet if t was. That of thought/time can be understood, and with that understanding is the silence of time/thought. Then the mechanism that is attached to “understanding” comes to a stop, psychologically of course. We then can use the mechanism to communicate or for other practical purposes, like @deci belle is doing. Personally to me her writing challenges my simple low level intellect, but I like it, because she seems to get significant points about liberation. The terms and knowledge she uses is foreign to me, which helps me understand different kinds of other language styles. I wouldn’t personally call it practice, but I agree here. It’s an all day affair, fosho. I’m sure we won’t agree on everything, but I appreciate your post @deci belle?

But @cetus56Practice kills and prevents the silence brah

@Hellspeed she shared some good points on clinging to experience. She seems like a writer doing her thing. No need to playa hate dude Also the thread promotes the study of oneself to forget oneself. It’s good stuff in that aspect. Understanding the self ends the self. Freedom is when time is not.

Funny thing is when we do this we may realize that we don’t any longer see the point in looking to scientific method or The Who am I self inquiry technique. This is what I noticed anyway.

It seems a problem arises when we don’t understand the nature of the mechanism used before looking for truth in scienctifiv method or self inquiry, as in ‘The Who am I’ technique. Until we understand what it means or the importance of actually being an objective observer we will always seem to enter in with pre-assumptions and our motive to attain an answer due to psychological satisfaction or gratification will distort the integrity of the investigation. I mean we start to look for answers before we understand the complex mechanism that concludes on certain answers according to our own bias/experience. If we start with self reflection/understanding of our limitations, then maybe we can go further. But until then I think we need to understand what we use to apply the technique of “who am I” or the scientific method, which is the nature of thought and it’s relationship to the falsity of psychological evolution. Seems pretty sensible too right dudes?

@deci belle Please let me go over this a little more. Appreciate your time responding.

As in choiceless or non-action. An action arising out of order. That order is not influenced by thought or the reactionary responses triggered by psychological activation. It’s pretty groovy. There isn’t any deciding. Which is totally a falling out of the usual pattern of conditioned mind. order/goodness/simplicity

Yeah can’t connect deeply when mind is in charge and projecting its images onto each other.

I liked you post? I think I wrote about this in a different thread. From what I got from your thread was how the self, which is experience, clings to itself. To psychologically cling to thought. This is what I wrote in another thread today about how we cling too and project experience psychologically. It goes a lot deeper than experiences. From what I see “enlightened action” doesn’t project experience. Thoughts tendency or pattern is to be fixed by nature. This really is a stoppage of experience projection. We like to resist change so we project images that are fixed in nature. Truth or enlightened action doesn’t resist change. So it is always changing. Thought doesn’t like that. Thought projects experience because it is familiar. It’s totally gnarly dudes. For me starting with fear/psychological time really opened the door to the stoppage of this fixed projection. That’s why you don’t ever become enlightened. Only something fixed has been or will be but is limited to its own fixed content. Truth isn’t fixed, it is living and always changing. Nothingness doesn’t project “things” on top of WHAT IS. This truth has really unraveled itself over the last month. Its closer to non-being dudes. Were you pointing to the ending of psychological thought/experience/self?

That’s why you don’t ever become enlightened. Only somthing fixed has been or will be but is limited to its own fixed content. Truth isn’t fixed, it is living and always changing. Nothingness doesn’t project “things” on top of WHAT IS. This truth has really unraveled itself over the last month. Its closer to non-being dudes.

It goes a lot deeper than experiences. From what I see “enlightened action” doesn’t project experience. Thoughts tendency or pattern is to be fixed by nature. This really is a stoppage of experience projection. We like to resist change so we project images that are fixed in nature. Truth or enlightened action doesn’t resist change. So it is always changing. Thought doesn’t like that. Thought projects experience because it is familiar. It’s totlay gnarly dudes. For me starting with fear/psychological time really opened the door to the stoppage of this fixed projection.

? nice dude