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Cool ?. That’s a compliment no but seriously brah that is what @Serotoninluvis talking about. This being influenced by selfs need for psychological security/comfort which corrupts action to find truth. He is just sharing the reality of how ego/thought always seeks security and as a result walks into various traps and illusions. Serotoninluv has actually stated something important. The question is can you have the humility to consider this type of wisdom. It’s up to you brah?

@How to be wise I think he was pointing to the illusion that self so impulsively moves towards. There is true happiness/“bliss” when living a whole/undivided life. The point is self and it’s conditioned movement will associate “progress” as leading to ecstasy. This is psychological time at work and only as I said before sustains the false division of self/conflict.

Yep. Most definitely. Very important to be aware of that. Well said brah?

@Serotoninluv when this is taken even further and seen with holistic insight we soon may find that all methods/paths also fall within the pattern of the dynamic self seeking security in the static content of thought.

self clings to the content of memory/thought and that sustains division and conflict. Thought is then transcending it’s own limit. Seeking security in thought is the reason for insecurity(suffering/conflict). Great heads up fosho @Serotoninluv

It will be ok brah take it easy i love you man

Humility humility humility dudes. Start there of you can

Sure dude, but sometimes it’s necessary breaking certain “laws” (social institutions/conventions).

I don’t think you get what faceless is saying dude. Non-violence as a philosophy remains violence no matter what. It’s goes way deeper than political movement. What is said here is understood when we understand mind and it’s conditioned patterns. To act according to an idea of nonviolence is still violence. Check it out brah. ?

If there is choice in either direction then the chooser/ego/self has influenced action and therefore that action will be a movement of violence. Intelligent action will not choose. It just acts.

Well that’s just it, this process of division looks for a way out but from the standpoint of division. So every move it makes sustains itself. Asking how to apply is looking to thought for answers and another reaction itself. Whats needed is total/holistic insight into this whole process/movement. In that that process movement literally ends dude. This seems to be rare. Not because only a few can do it, but because only a few seem to be willing. Fosho, but that’s not quite what I mean. I mean the division between thought/thinker, “me” the experiencer and the experience of for example anger, jealousy, and such. The inward division.

Intelligence defends the organism/itself. Has nothing to with ego. In other words intelligent action is instant and total. It’s not action influenced by the false self. Action comes form a place of intelligence. Only self/thought invents images and defends them or pursues them, like being antagonistic or violent.

Stretched thin between self-development and career/productivity? Same thing, no? Relationship might take second place when it comes to the ambitious mind dudes. Freedom first then see if your still interested in self development.

This dementophobia seems to be an example of self/thoughts tendency to associate its own ending, as in no longer clinging to the known, as going insane.

Cool song. Song seemed to come from a place of alienation/isolation.

Those who are truly free don’t get hurt. It’s all good @Artaemis

Intention/effort/psychological time as a reaction just keeps the loop of conflict alive and feeds the division itself. So it all becomes a vicious cycle.

Fosho. Operating in the mind pattern “queting the mind” or controlling mind is itself a movement of mind. Effort/time is a divided approach. Like practice, routines, a (way or path) serve to sustain this mind movement and feed that movement itself. Therefore always pushing freedom further away in time (the i will be in time) as in procrastination. Thought will always push freedom away to be achieved later. That’s not the way it works though. That is the pattern that enslaves.

Maybe mind is still divided. The abstract line between the experiencer and the experienced sustains the reality of the illusion. We are taken in by this illusion. A type of play but we are taken in by it.

Fosho Yep. Agreed dude

There is the imposed quieting of mind, which is temporary and not as deep, and there is the ending of time itself that is direct action to this quiet “state”.

Seems like an imposed “no mind state”. Thought will do this. Identify as no mind. As long as it is not a movement of psychological effort then mind is doing its function and not going beyond its limit. I tend to listen better than reading text too. Reading may demand effort to understand words and context. It’s the psychological effort that causes the thoughts/emotions reactions that feed the illusion of division.

Actually calling up on anger in order to watch it is most excellent way to observe and learn how anger/thought co-operate as a process. If that’s what @i am I AM was suggesting. Especially for someone looking to see as a fact that the thinker is the thought. Feeler the feeling, and such.

There is only Conflict/suffering when there are two things(subject/object) to conflict. ?

Gotcha dude..Action/reaction is born of division between subject/object of experience. No division actually in reaction to itself then no conflict/suffering.