Jack River

Most excellent thread topic idea on freedom and self imposed discipline. There is fosho a big difference. There is discipline of effort and there is the discipline that arises when effort comes to an end. One is not tainted by psychological conditions(thought with its excluding characteristics/contradictory desires) and the other is. Freedom as truth/love is its own discipline. Not limited to the past. Not limited to control/conflict.

Went over it quickly couple days ago..There are vids on you tube that go into ‘the process’.

Yes dude ...Time being simply “the past”(self-psychological knowledge/experience/memory) influencing action or inaction in the “present moment”. Self will act on certain thoughts/emotions that have been established through “personal” value/measure appointed by the selfs pre-established bias-prejudice. So yep your examples of self seeking, story telling, avoiding, worrying, resentments etc can all be seen to a self as being distinct and separate contents of thought, but in actuality they all are one unit in movement of psychological evolution. A resistance to what is(a self sustaining process of attachment/identification(time) recycling itself in an endless loop of conflict which dissipates that much needed energy. This resistance to what is will manifest itself in the form of desire seeking pleasure, avoiding pain/fear and indulging in the re-experiencing of pleasure, satisfaction, contentment. In moment to moment experiences the self will react positively/negative to certain thoughts/emotions that arise as experiences. This reaction to the image/emotion waste necessary energy needed to stay with what is. So the reaction waste energy and prevents energy from growing as well in order to observe without escape. Right on! As long as these fragments are calling the shots observation of, or staying with what is will not be possible. The acknowledgment(holistic seeing) is non fragmented seeing. Then there can be a non-choosing or non-reactionary awareness (non-action) which is to end the divided action of subject-object division(limited energy). Then there is observation without the past(the image) distorting the observation. This is the Unlimited Energy you and are talking about. Fosho dude. Nice?

Yeah fosho. For me there wasn’t even a should I or shouldn’t I. I just acted. Most excellent non-choice.

I mean the implicit nature of self simply implies a dissipation of energy through getting caught in its own cycle of contradictory desires/pleasures. You know the usual procrastination, subtle escapes to distract itself from what is. Time seems to limit the necessary energy to obseve what is without escape. That total energy is needed to pull together fragments of mind to form a coherent whole.

It’s difficult for a self to put 100% energy into daily time bound movement. Self leaning from moment to moment. I quit my temp. job to do it it was that important to me. Nothing more important to this dude.

I can’t No. i post and those who listen will and those who won’t won't. Just like how I stumbled upon faceless/robdls posts. I saw some power to it. I couldn’t turn back. But the urge to resist it is so strong fosho.

Anyone can do it. But many don’t seem willing.

I don’t know...hard to say. Good question

You’re beautiful my man?

Wisdom is born of truth, intelligence is born of wisdom. This holistic understanding is not limited to intellectual/conceptual accumulation. It’s an understanding that can bring all incoherent fragments of mind to form a coherent whole. To see all assumed distinct aspects of contents of self/reality as being one single unit of Time in movement. In this awareness/ATTENTION is simple. Eminently practical.

The whole nondual view/and relative view thing(realization) of no self/self is intellectual/conceptual/theory based realization(fragmented seeing). K, faceless, robdl and I are not talking about that. When it comes to views they are all relative even the absolute ones. We’re talking about action itself. Not knowledge/based of experience/realization and then action(divided action). But actual holistic insight/understanding which is action. That is what truth is, an action. That’s what I mean, we are not speaking about “enlightenment”. We are only pointing to want is in the self. Ofcourse the self will escape that what is.

@Nahm sup nahm? well how many people will actually end Time bound continuity/evolution in general?

Good one .. Head has never been so clear my dude. No effort really helps there fosho. You to brother? I hope we somewhat clarified a little on this confusion of effort.

Everything I talk about is common to dudes and dudets

Haha yeah dude..I’m parroting facts of the self. All of this was almost an over night explosion of insight. It’s not mine at all. It comes on its own accord. It’s hella crazy fosho. The stuff about K he has mentioned in vids. And I have direct contect with it as well. I live what I share brah. You can short change me if you want I don’t mind. Enlighten up dude?

@who chit I appreciate your stuff to dude.?

I can’t teach anything dude. That’s the point. I just share that all you need is you. See what is without running. Really To stay with what is, no resistance(no effort). Also my homie robdl and I went through some holistic insight connection together. Most excellent insight fosho.

Meditation is the path and the end. Observing unconditionally/seeing that the path is the self(time). So to cultivate/apply effort/progressive movement of psychological strife to become anything other that what is was meaningless, silly, and destructive/conflicting. Fosho. They have great style. Faceless is the Shis man.? He helped me help myself fosho. I spent a long time moving in the effort realm until I stumbled upon his stuff. 2-4 months after I met him instant freedom dude?

..his realization had its root in the ending of effort(time) as all that pushed truth away in time. He saw the falseness In all the traditional ‘means’ to “attain” by accumulating knowledge/experience/experiences and habitual routines practices/systems/formulas past down from the past (thought) with regards to truth. How all that denied truth. He played along with that theosophical gig until he saw the silliness of it all. He played all the games of tradition but for the next 70 years or whatever spent his life trying to communicate the obsurdity of effort(time) to end time.

It’s a different discipline though my brah. You do see the difference no?

I started learning about myself to get to the root of suffering. I started with fear and understood all the subtle ways I escaped fear in daily life. And once I saw that resistance to what is(effort) was sustaining this conflict I ended it. Then without effort clouding the mind I could explore without distortion. The fact is a self is effort and moves within the limit of effort from the beginning. People say effort is necessary, i say effort is the fact already, what is necessary is the ending of this effort(psychological evolution) or resistance to what is.

@who chit I’m not trying to upset you brah. Just trying to explain this no effort confusion. My bad if it comes off defensive. I’m just not sure this no effort is understood actually. Seems important to make clear. Namean?

Read a link? Common man. You missing the point dude. The point is this meditation implies no direction/effort. Meditation with a motive is not meditation. This mediation I’m referring to. All I’m saying dude. Meditation is not a means to an end. And k didn’t mediate to become anything. Right? kundalini is not something you cultivate.

I’m just speaking of this effort confusion. No movement of effort doesn’t imply quick fix. It’s actually very disciplined. But the discipline comes not from cultivation/conformity, it comes from never ending learning free of the past(self). This type of learning is discipline in itself.