Jack River

I feel ya. I found it particularly painful when there wasn’t awareness of ego/mind apparent distinction. It seems this sense of pain is because that distinction is not seen through as it arises. I mean we may start off seeing after the fact the pain has occurred, which means we are aware after the reaction. But then with INSIGHT there is a seeing as this divison arises, which I noticed in that there really isn’t any pain at all. The insight is action. A non-psychological recording or ending an experience as it arises.

Attachment? Maybe the self is still trying to hold itself together yet is fragmenting itself. This will give this feeling that you described. Like a pressure/condensed density in that area. This is another way people experience being an independent agent locked inside a bag of skin. Some feel it in the head(behind eyes) & others in the heart area or both. Or like knots in the stomach. Identification with reactions(emotions/thought) as I think you are suggesting. Seeems to happen when the subject is separating itself from the objects of experience.

@Aakash fosho. The whole process is meditation. The foundation is in self knowledge. Many will start off with habit to get to a source of silence in order to observe time movement. Or they will focus on the silence they have cultivated. In this foundation of self knowledge/insight/action, habit in of itself is negated totally. Which means this silence is not cultivated/limited by will/time. It’s freedom without psychological movement so that harmony(no-thing-ness) is left as the ground. Ground of being/love.

As an i is this succession of time (from one experience to another) and these experiences have there root in the past. “The past” modifies “it’s present”, projects it’s “end-future”. This is thought. Of the past. Limited to imitation/invention. Never new. That is what I meant by time/thought with its tendency to cultivate/modify/cultivate a pure perception(the creative - love). For there to be The New, must die the old. We need thought for practical-functional purpose, but in relationship this movement of time denies love/the creative. Maybe. Just depends on what we mean by action. There is psychological action and there is psychological non-action. In this case the psychological action is the action that arises from this evolutionary self with its psychological accumulated knowledge/experience-memory that meets the present being bound by that bias of the past. So every step made is limited to the past. This can be known as divided action. Then there is non-psychological action. Insight sees this whole system of thought at work and when this psychological evolution is in movement the holistic insight allows for a non reactionary/responding to that movement of psychological time. To not act psychologically we find is undivided action. To act wholly/totally without images/the past (emotions/thought) distorting/fragmentating the inevitable action that life implies. No matter what life is action. My point is, what influences this action?...the past, or freedom/INSIGHT, that has put the past in its right place? When it comes to relationship/love, does the past have any place? Awareness/attention to what is the barrier to love/relationship is the beginning fosho dude. This for me meant self-knowledge, which lead to holistic insight. And that sets the stage for non-psychological action, holistic action.

Love IS the creative. And can creation be come upon gradually which implies thought(cultivation)? Can the old be progressively modified as The New?

Haha?

Love is action (undivided whole) If we ask how to are we looking for a means (thought) to cultivate love? If the self looks to thought to cultivate love(wholeness) isn’t that sustaining the notion as being a independent self that stands outside of thought(divided action)? If so, with that divison strengthened, can there be Love?

Haha..no you are the fact and maybe more? How to? ?

You want to cultivate love??

In the example of my earlier post.. Maybe awareness of the “negative emotion” without controlling the emotion, revealed the reaction itself as groundless... there is no past (thought) assigning meaning to an experience. To assign meaning gives birth to the reaction(emotion/thought) itself. Without the assignment of meaning(word/concept and its association to “me”) that experience never happens as such. Would that experience of anger even arise in the first place?

Solitude/aloneness is relationship. To me resisting suffering and being rewarded are of a mind that plays in the realm of reward and punishment. The need to be rewarded is resistance. Such resistance prevents relationship.

Maybe awareness of the “negative emotion” without controlling the emotion, revealed the reaction itself as groundless. This could cause one to step outside of the field of time. This is Love.

The more desire seeks/pursues pleasure in experience (to add it’s the selfs continuity), the more of this up and down fluctuation of chemical composition in the body. Then there is more and more psychological reactions to those various feelings/emotions(sensations) that arise in that up and down cause and effect phenomena. As a result psychological reactions seem to breed yet more chemical fluctuations in the body, which again the psyche tries to word off by controlling, suppressing, indulgence, etc...then again more chemical fluctuation. Its an endless cycle of pleasure-pain(conflict/suffering). This manifest as a disconnect in awareness/presence in daily life and ultimately prevents communion with WHAT IS. I had the weed addiction as well. I ended that habit almost 5 months ago on the spot. Self knowledge was all it took. I explored the nature of fear/pleasure/desire(thought). Holistic insight was action that ended that habit. Along with various other habits. Good luck dude. Although luck is irrelevant?

Sensitivity is essential. When I (experience) played with, depended upon experiences to seek a ‘higher state of consciousness’ (pleasure), this only paved the way for a less sensitive system. Sensitivity is a must. The up and down up experience seeking will get ya. Cause-effect like outcome limited to the field of time.

Ok. Enjoy, dude?

It can be said that Life is nothing but relationships. Maybe the illusion is the resistance to life and its relationship based nature. It’s impossible to be related when illusion divides communion. The now/no-thing-ness/beauty IS to be in relationship. All else is of time/resistance.

Are you sure your above conclusion is not going to change?

Fosho. And that energy is what allows for awareness itself. You got it dude

Maybe, maybe not. I noticed that the less psychological becoming in day to day makes for void like sleep. I know a lot of people see dreams as pleasurable, but I see them as a wastage of energy. When you can end an experience as it arises it’s a most beautiful way to live. Then to not project the past in place of the now. It’s an art dude. A beautiful art.

What if holistic intelligence is using thought and saying, “ hey put some socks on dude”? Haha protecting the body is essential, it’s when the psyche/self comes first that causes the issues.

Time has its place heh?

No, within the last 4 months there are no dreams. I found that as the mind quieted more and more in day to day dreams also vanished. Sometimes I wake up meditating. And it seems there is awareness even during sleep, but no imagination/thoughts are rolling. It’s quite strange. But when I wake up I am exploding with energy. Much more than when dreams/thoughts were racing.

@Nahm

I like this nahm? thanks dude. When I am looking for another means, or extra means, I will hit you up. Thanks for your generosity my good dude?