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@Nahm it’s crazy man. I feel like just in the last week I can actually understand things that you just said. It’s a miracle man

Lolol fosho dude

I agree totally dudes. For me until recently I was not able to tell what was thought and not. I didn’t even see the connection between thought and experience or veil. Thats why for me it was helpful to start with understanding thought, experience, and the conection to “me”.

Fosho dude.

@SoonHei I never read power of now but I have watched tolle a lot before. He does go into psychological time and attention. It would be hard to understand faceless and robdl if I wouldn’t have understood tolle first. I don’t know if you understand those dudes yet but maybe tolle will pave the way to help you get what they are saying

Read again.. This really does capture why it’s so hard to listen to others, and why we get hurt so much. Then we record the hurt and it keeps happening by remembering. And the fear just keeps going and going.

Its crazy how perception can see how everything all comes together and how easy awareness is after that. Seriously very cool.

no I’m not that kind of dude. I suffered like others all my life. Just started about 8 years ago looking for a way to stop it. And we are not talking about conceptualization. Very different. Just be an idea. Do you see it? I do dude

Amusing and kinda frustrating. I went 8 years getting caught in that same pattrn dudes. Well my whole life actually lol

Excellently said

Surf time

I’m so glad I wasn’t that fearful dudes. Lolo face the fear first. It’s a must. Was for “me”.

I understand why you think it’s a belief. I was just at that place few weeks ago. But I see now. I hope people can let there guard down and at least listen. Not like it will hurt anything. Maybe nothing will happen, maybe something will. Don’t let the fear drag you down dudes.

@SOUL it’s not belief dude. This is the problem. There must be awareness of subtle fear in movement. That’s why what we are talking about is important.

For sure man. Dude where is this all coming from. It’s so clear

I’m not saying I have a lot of knowledge dude. Just saying I fell for that trap. It bogus. I’m not in it for perspective dude. Perspective is partial. No experience is where it’s at brah.

Belief being fear causing me to cling to the illusion of psychological becoming. Divided action or fragmentation as faceless says.

Psychological dependence on time that makes for a clinging to ideas or concepts. Or as robdl says clinging to ourselves..Nah dude. None of that here my man not anymore

Well that’s just because we are using thinking. But we are not talking about that really brah. I think the mind is way to complex to just say be present in the moment. I listened to that type of talk years man. It doesnt bring about an actual ending of conflict and fear.

Funny thing is belief is obvious in your post. I would not have been able see it until couple days ago though

Right. This seems to be conceptualization. What we are taking about can be watched without any past knowledge or speculation for sure.

Cool dude. I know man. It’s confusing stuff for sure.

I’m just thrilled to see it dude. Seriously man It’s realy a miracle to me.

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