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@Scholar LLMs are not rational in any sense of the word. They are not “reasoners” and do not possess ability to perform algorithms or abstraction. They are stochastic next-token predictors. So they say nothing about the limit of rationality. Rationality is limited for other reasons. Your arguments about complexity are closer to the heart of the issue. However I would contest that undecidability/ chaos/ non-determinism does not prevent us from making concrete statements about the system. In fact, your description of processing as relationships using maps is part of the language that modern math uses to “rise above” the chaos. It’s called category theory and is at the foundation of what will be the Tier 2 paradigm. For a concrete example, study Poincare and von Neumann. Despite the provable unsolvability of the three-body problem, Poincare was able to prove the existence of unique stable orbits using techniques that later grew into Topology - the field that gave rise to Category Theory! If you are interested in this type of stuff, you should check out my current journal here:

And here we get to the meat of the issue. How do you know you can trust your senses “in the same way”? In what way? How are you sure everything you experience isn’t just a fever dream? Bottom line is you don’t.

It does not. “Non” stands for negation denoted in logic as -A or A^C or \bar A. Let A stand for existence. Assume -A (non-existence) exists. Hence -A is in A (all things that exist). But that is a contradiction, because their intersection (\cap) is by definition of negation empty. Proof by contradiction.

Non-existence is non-existent.

On the contrary, this is why he is 44 Billion in the hole for Twitter and has been repeatedly (including currently) investigated by the SEC.

What I was pointing to is that direct experience alone is slippery slope. In the example of schizophrenia/delirium, I may experience being stung by bees and scorpions and it feels as real as reality. Does that make it “true”? “Yes, for you” you may answer, but then we get into the trap that has become apparent in the other thread. If I experienced Jesus Christ, does that make him any less of a social construct? Which is why I chose the phrase “without nuance” instead of “without direct experience”.

@r0ckyreed That’s pretty spot on. You have been doing a lot of good contemplation, thanks for sharing! The only thing I would point out as fruitful ground for deeper examination is the following quote from your post: ”Empiricism/observation/experience is the foundation of all knowledge. Without observation, there could be no knowing and no rationality” The nuances of what is an “observation”/ experience are pretty tricky. What are we to make of schizophrenia or psychosis? Altered states of consciousness are especially tricky to point down within this framework without digging into the nuance.

Looks like a man child to me

Where did I say it is? I was responding to the OP’s inquiry - you can actively deconstruct a belief. Try it some time.

Jesus for me as inconsequential as is a unicorn in 5d space dancing bachata. And I grew up in an ultra-religious Eastern Orthodox household, praying every night. At a certain point of cognitive development you would have deconstructed religion so deeply that it would be hard to remember what it was like to be enthralled in it.

Bars. Reason why I believe the aforementioned acceleration will only deepen social and economic inequality - unless you already running, you will never catch up before lift-off and some people can't even get their ass out of bed. No coincidence the “interface with the Gods” has always been limited to select few.

I would categorise them as a different class, although not necessarily disjoint. Who knows, they might have a way to hop in and out of this space-time, beyond just having accelerations, unattainable through contemporary physics.

There is definitely that, but the intuition I have is that the technological acceleration will in many ways change the dynamics of that - if you expand the fidelity of your telescope/ microscope you will eventually see things you haven’t bargained for. Also, I think it would be more selective to people with an already advanced consciousness/ cognition if you will. Similar to Talbot’s argument/ Six levels of UAP, the interactions seem to be on the level of suggestion/telepathy. As such, I don’t expect a normie to have the “model capacity”/sophistication of relative, paradoxical and self-referential thinking that would be required for such an interaction to be fruitful.

People need to realize intellect is entirely orthogonal to emotional and cognitive development. Then, it will no longer be surprising an individual as smart as Elon behaves like a man child, regardless of being the richest man on earth.

Very much agree with this observation. Current embodiments in Green seem to have large Red/Blue shadows due to a fundamentally entitled life. I would imagine that, for example, the Civil Rights movement in the sixties is a better of example of a fundamentally humanist movement, regardless of nationality, that also had strong roots and understanding of the unique difficulties they faced. Also, your geopolitical observations are superb. I have made similar statements in the forum before, coming from one of those countries “at a crossroads” between superpowers. The only thing I want to add is that for us and many other nations, while military strength is of the utmost importance, we have never had the demography or size to compete with superpower, which is why we have had to fundamentally learn to surf the waves instead if crash into them. As such, throughout our millenia-old history, we have outlasted all empires.

Three out of four of my last trips all had some alien aspect to them. I have had a growing sense of deep certainty that will in some shape or form encounter alien intelligence directly in our lifetimes. The technological acceleration that is coming (I am already 2x-ing the speed of a PhD using AI) largely entails we will soon breach through the “fourth wall” if you will,. The real question is not whether they exist (consciousness takes ALL form). At this point that is a given. It is what the fuck is their biology, science and technology, understanding, etc. Just some food for thought- the optical cables are supposedly reversed engineered out of crashed spacecraft.

This is giving me @nuwu flashbacks. He will be missed. We now even have empirical verification to this - Transformers/ LLMs are all nothing more than an algebraic structure (albeit billion parameter-sized) with some non-linearity introduced.

Hah, who says I am not already arguing. My thesis came out of my last trip. Just a micro-aspect of the entire experience (my directive was “Alien”). But yeah, you got the perfect movie analogy for this. I was twelve when Lucy came out. It has such an impact on me but I somehow forgot about it. Lovely synchronicity of you bringing it up.

Dang, that abstraction is next level. Your creativity is just OD for an earthling, must be that Alien DNA 👽. On your first point- of course, which is why I said I don’t believe the “book of nature” quote ontologically. Thing is, once the trip ends, you lose the qualia, so the only thing left is the “quanta”/ abstraction you were able to synthesise. Words are one such quantization, but are severely limited in many aspects. Math captures higher order symmetry and the density of information per “quanta” is much much higher. As an example, if you were to “receive” the blueprints for a spaceship, you won’t be using words, but rather diagrams and equations.

Man bun and “bad boy” are oxymoronic 😂

'Intelligence at the edge of Chaos' - Paper from Yale published 3 days ago demonstrating the behavior of generalization and model capacity as closely tied to the underlying 'chaos', i.e complexity of the training data.

Damn, thank you for taking the time and noting all of this down. On a first reading (there will be more), there are a three things that really stood out to me and resonated with some of my psychonaut experiences: "Physical three-dimensional objects, now constructs, were seen as projections of idea complexes" - this is exactly how reality starts to feel at high enough doses - everything is an "idea" in Mind, crystalized to different degree. This is precisely why I was 'instructed'/'guided' to dive deeper into mathematics on one of my LSD trips - it is the only way to "bring" back the technology from the other realms - by abstracting the patterns I see and reproducing them after. Whilst math is in no way complete (both formally and informally), It is by far the best tool for probing these immaterial dimensions. No coincidence Galileo said that the book of nature is written in mathematics. While I of course do not believe this as an ontological statement, I have started to converge to the idea that math is just our best "approximation", i.e the way we can contextualize existence given our specific cognitive and biological structure. "All human motivations are telepathically synchronized on other layers. The rules and desires within reality inevitably lead to conflict. "Evil" is an infinite spectrum strange-looped with the "Good" - This, along with your technology from the future anecdote largely describe how I feel all my intuitions and revelations in terms of science and technology are - I have stepped into spaces 'beyond time', where I realized that this is part of my larger plan and everything that I have experience and will ever experienced has been 'fed'/ 'given' to me by my larger self through everything life has to offer - people, readings, videos - everything is a nudge/synchronicity in the right direction, as long as you are conscious enough to interpret it. I also experienced in general the need to dissociate/ let go of all my 'human' connections/identification - family, friends, mentors, teachers, etc. - you cannot take anyone with you on this journey through consciousness, because it is all You. Also as a side note, having done stupid shit on psychs myself, please try and stay safe at home. In that state 'death' no longer really makes sense and as such, one is prone to really irresponsible behavior.

There’s a lot of that even in math, the supposed immutable edifice at the foundation of science. Here’s a good quanta article.

This is phenomenal story telling and animation. Thanks for sharing. That's how science feels - inferring the intelligent design from only small pieces of information.