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[Ref] On the exact topic of Cult Psychology, I read and used all four from the Book List to write a paper on the cult dynamics of Silicon Valley in my Expos 20 class at Harvard. It is still used as a model paper for that class. And right now, he is committing the precise epistemological fallacies listed in them. I quote: Deikman: “Lacking interest and information concerning the actual statements and actions of opponents or outsiders.” (1) I have seen this play out with engagement of epistemological and intellectual criticism, specifically surrounding stances on rationality, sciences and AI [ref 1] [ref 2]. His imaginary scientists have been a gross caricature and continue to be so despite me and others giving personal, extra-personal experiences, as well as evidence. Hassan: "In totalistic cults, the ideology is internalized as ‘the truth,’ the only map of reality." (2) Stein: “It rejects any knowledge from the outside world in order to create a fictitious world within the hermetically sealed totalist system.” (3) The reactions to the Alien Intelligence pushback [ref 3] [ref 4] and the refusal to admit fundamental epistemological errors is what warranted the cult-like accusations by @UnbornTao and @zurew. @Carl-Richard gave an abundant list of the "No one has had my awakening and realizations" [ref 5] and was also one of the un-modded ones. Per the references above, the un-modding and banning are reflections of an echo chamber dynamic, especially given the rhetoric and responses. @Leo Gura The Actualized.org brand, channel and forum is yours, preach your Truth. But don't be surprised that you are losing viewership. It's not just "the algorithms".

Not even that with your "big picture" ass. System thinking of a high schooler.

Even your system thinking is high school level. Tier 2 Epistemology my ass. If you actually had internalized Spiral Dynamics or Wilber's holarchies (an actual spiritual intellectual who did the homework unlike you) instead of regurgitating, you wouldn't be making such ignorant statements. Reality is nested holarchies (self -> family -> tribe -> country) with influences across every level. That's why "big picture" alone is not enough. Zoom out of Earth long enough and it's a speck of dust. That's where you are right now, on your high horse.

If you actually took the time to study "technical" topics, you would quickly realize that while the "big picture" is freshman systems thinking 101, the graduate course-equivalent is understanding dynamical systems, phase transitions, heavy-tailed events, etc, all of which have local to global dynamics. All the shit that popped the previous bubbles - real estate, dot com, railway, was literally the straw that broke the camel's back - the minor details. It took Michael Berry sifting through all the credit swaps. The causes for the phase transitions, such as a "bubble pop" you cannot infer from your "big picture" high horse. If you got off it and started doing the work instead of calling it "minutia", you would stops being black and white in your thinking, and you gain the nuance that both AI is a bubble due to mismatch in Capex and Revenue (ref) and AI is gonna upend everything you know.

Highlighting the "good science" (1 + 2) is scientific, speaking on social dynamics is not - that is "history of science" The fact that there are literally thousands of scientists and mathematicians that do psychedelics/sprituality and stellar science, many of whom I have referenced before. The difference between them and you is that: (1) they keep their schizo/intuitive ideas to themselves before crystallizing them rigorously/empirically (2) they have the humility to understand that the collective intelligence of everything we have build as humans is bigger than any one of us, because it has been built over millennia from thousands of people, some of which have most certainly been more spiritually gifted than you. If you actually practiced "good science" in terms of (1) and (2), you wouldn't be facing all this criticism. The "couple of things" we are highlighting are examples of the larger systemic problem - your hubris and double standards.

Yeah, I call bullshit. Your understanding of science is superficial, high school level at best, which is why shit like this: Reads like the joke and not the "weasels, cogs, rats" or "bigots". The fact that you cannot even distinguish between the subjects of "science" and "history of science" is even more telling. You think you are speaking on the former, but only ever living in the latter.

You know how you say it takes you 5 minutes to figure out the level of consciousness of someone? People who are technical have the same thing on the topics they have dedicated their lives to. As someone who spends 10h+ a day on AI and math for the last 5 years, it is crystal clear from the language you use, the category errors you make and the references you use. You have a superficial understanding on AI and science, which is why the "weasels, bigots and rats" don't read as humor, but as bitterness.

The gifts you got from God/ access to Infinite Intelligence is just the gift of yap. You are a mystic, not a magician. And magic is what I want to learn. How do we solve nuclear fusion? How do we reverse climate change? How do we genetically engineer to raise consciousness? To do all this, to become Einstein + Ramanujan + Tesla x100, one needs spirituality in its purest form. But that alone is not enough. What I want to learn, you cannot teach.

Wow. Just wow. Yeah, I guess it is unreasonable to ask from the most Awakened being on the planet to do some homework before talking out his ass on things that have nothing to do with Awakening. How many times over the last 2 years did I show you, with papers, articles and textbook references that you are portraying caricatures about Science and AI? How many times did I stress that I have experienced the Consciousness/Godhood Ontology and am literally harnessing intuition to do breakthroughs in math and AI, as have many others done before me? You are not the first nor last to tap into Infinite Intelligence. It's the hubris and the belittling, while simultaneously making ignorant statements that you could correct if you actually read some of what the "weasels, bigots" and "rats" wrote. I respect your work, I don't respect what you have become. Been here long enough to see the change in who sticks around. Maybe ask yourself why for once.

Gotta pass through "rational" to get to "post-rational" and he doesn't seem to have done so.

Another straw man. Who the fuck said anything about "getting everything right " ever on this forum? It's the basic mismatch in your information/ claim hygiene that you preach but don't follow as in the many examples provided by my and other members. Teach what? How to morph into an alien? How to heal? Yeah, only you know how to do that apparently.

Case in point #Lost_Count

(1): Everyone is getting paid off to hype AI, and the scientists do bad science so you can't trust their AI studies. (2): "You expect me to trust science on AI? What kind of fool do you take me for? " (1) + (2) = can't trust the earth is round/ vaccines are safe because all is paid by NASA/Big Pharma. In the last 2 years of commenting on AI here or on the blog you have used ONLY Youtube videos, blogs or memes. How is that serious epistemology? That's why I called it hubris. I don't speak on topics I haven't done my research on. The problem isn't with this just thread or topic, it's systemic. Instead of being more careful in your commentary, you keep on lallygagging and default to this on pushback. And when people really press you, because they are fed up with the excuses, you un-mod or ban.

@Uddi I guarantee you he does not understand the difference between the LLM chatbots, the diffusion models used for image generation, the LRMs used for long-context reasoning in Claude Code and Codex. It's all one thing to him which is why he makes fundamental category errors when he talks about AI.

MKUltra’d his brain

A Krispy one

Calling people on this forum self-deceived.

Would crush your ego to know. Him and other former mods challenged Leo on his rhetoric and previous statements. That's why he started the "Warning to Members here" thread.

@Monster Energy He won't make you a mod, so get his dick out your mouth. Show me one post of yours like this one of mine where you are not talking out your ass, but have actually brought sources that are not YouTube videos. @zurew used to do this and that's why he got banned.

@Joshe Exactly. I would also add reading actual papers from NeurIPS/ ICML etc to actually understand things like Interpretability, architecture biases, etc. One can use the models themselves to explain and reproduce the papers. But someone gotta get off their high horse and do some math and code instead of just yap. Thinking LLMs are all of AI or that their creators are the only one who engage in rigorous studies of AI is moronic.

@OBEler His hubris behind the statements while simultaneously being this out of touch is what did it for me. He can’t be claiming to have the most sophisticated epistemology and then engage on a topic as thorny and important as this one with the same way a flat-earther/anti-vaxxer does. With fucking YouTube videos.

Been a follower of your work for a decade. Have been on the forum for more than 8 years. On the exact topic of Cult Psychology, I read and used all four from your Book List to write a paper on the cult dynamics of Silicon Valley in my Expos 20 class at Harvard. It is still used as a model paper for that class. And right now, you are committing the precise epistemological fallacies listed in them. I quote: Deikman: “Lacking interest and information concerning the actual statements and actions of opponents or outsiders.” (1) I have seen this play out with your engagement of epistemological and intellectual criticism, specifically surrounding your stances on rationality and sciences. Your imaginary scientists have been a gross caricature and continue to be so despite me and others giving you personal and extrapersonal experiences as well as evidence. Hassan: "In totalistic cults, the ideology is internalized as ‘the truth,’ the only map of reality." (2) Stein: “It rejects any knowledge from the outside world in order to create a fictitious world within the hermetically sealed totalist system.” (3) "No one has had your awakening and realizations". The Actualized.org brand, channel and forum is yours, preach your Truth. But don't be surprised that you are losing viewership. It's not just "the algorithms". Godspeed, Leo.

@zurew Yeah, i've had it tbh. Over the last two years I've given pushback on the science comments on different occasions and topics such as Terence Howard, Stephen Wolfram, deconstructing rationality, logic, mathematics and AI last. Some of those were at least an hour or two of effort, in which I expressed clearly the synthesis between a Consciousness/Crystallizing Godhood ontology and mathematics/sciences with references to their mystical aspect. To no avail. His stance and language on science has only become more and more bitter. There seems to be an intellectual shadow of some sorts, probably because of all the close-minded rationalist pushback or earlier "trauma" from school/college. He is stuck at the mystic stage (mystic -> rational -> integral), which is why he keeps employing rhetoric of authority, such as "no one else understands/experienced X". My most recent post illustrates a basic epistemological fallacy in his AI stance, the same type anti-vaxxers use. Whatever, that was it for me. I though the forum was where people could sound off on his ideas, but I guess not. What do we, the "scientific bigots" understand of Leo's Grand Awakenings?

Said the anti-vaxxer whose kid later died of measles. I didn't say "trust". I said practice "epistemic rigor". The irony is I can reference your own blog posts. Being contrarian for the sake of it is lazy.

@Leo Gura I am disappointed that for as much as you speak on AI, you only reference YouTube videos or pop articles. Yes, there is a lot of noise and marketing, yes, LLMs are not AGI, yes, we are in a bubble, but that barely even scratches the surface of what is bubbling underneath. You are misleading people. AI is a topic that requires epistemic rigor and I have only seen you engage with it on the level an anti-vaxxer does with medicine. The quote above is the equivalent of "vaccine studies are paid by Big Pharma".