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Yeah for sure, I think you're very right and that was also basically my journey. I had a lot of full-on Incel/Red Pill/Women hating ideas in me when I was younger. I didn't really understand women and they didn't seem to like me too much so I started hating them for it. Then as I started my self-improvement/game journey I kinda realized that this was just a random illusion and women never disliked me they were just mostly neutral and since I didn't offer them much value then they didn't pay much attention to me romantically/sexually. Now almost 10 years later on my journey, my relationship with women is amazing and it's probably the connection I feel/enjoy the most in this life. I feel like I literally have a spiritual awakening experience every time I look at/interact with an attractive girl, it's very magical and worth a lot to me. I don't think I could've gotten to this point without going through the first "anger" phase and if that's what it took then I'm eternally grateful for it. It's made me understand the world a lot better, my own place in it, and my relationship with the female gender. The connection between straight males and straight females is very sacred and the fact that's it's so toxic and misunderstood in current society is a great tragedy for everyone.

What are you trying to do on Tinder? Get laid easily or go on dates and meet a girl you actually bond with? They're pretty different processes tbh. If you're trying to fuck then basically your best bet is to invite the girl out for drinks within the first 3-4 messages you send her. You: In some form: hey, you're cute Her: Some kind of at least neutral or positive response You: Cool, let's get to know each other better have you ever been to X place(bar within 5 minutes of your place) Her: Some kind of open or positive response You: Sweet let's check it out, are you free X day? Then get her number and set it up. Depending on how attractive you are you might need like 1-2 more message exchanges to build rapport but basically, if she's attracted to you and open to meeting you then this formula will make it happen as fast as possible. If she says anything that's cold, fishing for attention, or wanting more investment from you then basically you are wasting your time and should move on to the next conversation. If you live in a big city then Tinder is 100% a numbers game. Your only goal is to maximize your profile and meet as many girls as you can as quickly as you can so you can actually get to know them/vibe with them/sleep with them. Trying to get to know someone through a texting app is asinine, don't get sold into that idea.

I don't think you mean that. You're just lazy and haven't put in the real work to cultivate your masculinity and understand women. When you actually become a high-value integrated man then women are a pleasure to deal with and give you very little bullshit. If anything men are way more annoying, more obtuse, and play status games that don't even benefit them.

It's a core game concept called abundance. You can be in abundance theoretically and watch spiritual videos that tell you to let go and tell yourself that it's a good idea but being ACTUALLY in abundance is a completely different thing. If you've proven to yourself that you can attract multiple women and have great connections with many of them then your whole perspective automatically becomes different. You aren't desperate anymore and it actually starts to make sense that if your woman wants to leave you, she should do it because it'll hopefully make her happier. If you're not in abundance then your woman leaving you is an atomic bomb to your life and your intimacy/sex life will be destroyed for the next few months/years and YOU KNOW IT deep down even if you try lying to yourself. This is why improving yourself/game/seduction is not a joke. You cannot fake it, either you can attract women in your life or you can't. It's very binary. If you try to magically convince yourself otherwise it's only gonna cause you pain.

Nightgame is just highly polarized in general. It's a fascinating display of human behavior. Nowhere else than in dark places with music and alcohol do you have girls telling you to fuck off and insulting you and other times basically falling in love with you and hooking up within 5 minutes of meeting you. Don't take it too seriously and man up. You're not hurt by girls being mean to you for 5 seconds, you'll be fine. If you ever hope to succeed in this pickup journey, you're gonna need a lot thicker skin. There are much worse things that are gonna happen to you than random girls finding you creepy lol.

That's a crazily profound point. What lead you to come to this conclusion? It's basically the cycle I've found myself in and it does seem like humanity as a whole is going through it as well. Yeah, the oppression is a huge flaw but I personally think women are designed beautifully and perfectly. The fact that they are generally smaller, softer, more gentle, and fragile is a huge turn-on in a lot of ways. I like being a bigger human watching over my girl and they usually like it too. Once the polarity is established in a mutually beneficial way it is a beautiful thing to experience.

Why not both? I heavily believe in integrating both your business and your dating life. Why create content around your business? Go out and join circles in your city related to your passion(IT?) and become part of that scene. This will put you in the social hierarchy of people(and women) that are into the same things you are. And from there start creating audio and visual content based on this(podcasts, youtube, TikTok's, reels, etc) which will eventually raise your status and value in that community even more which will make you very appealing to the women in that niche. We live in the best time EVER for both game and business. If your idea of Game in 2021 is walking in the mall and asking random girls for their phone numbers, you're missing out on a lot.

I'm down to help! I've done daygame for years, not doing it right now because I'm more motivated to work on my social media game but I heavily believe in the benefits of daygame. Not only am I down to keep you accountable but I can help you level up your IG game for free(I'm a photographer specializing in Online Dating and Social media shoots for men) which I believe is a way better way to keep track of your leads than just getting a phone number. Message me back here or on IG and I'll help you out.

Hey brother, do you wanna talk? Let's hop on a call, I'll talk to you anytime.

I think you fundamentally misunderstand what women are brother. Women are part of the aesthetic of this world. As we grow more evolved as a species, of course our females are gonna become more attractive. And as a straight man, you should get on your knees and thank God for that. If you think of a pretty girl getting her nails done and this annoys you/you find it stupid then you haven't gone through your spiritual masculine awakening yet. Nothing I love more than a girl dolling herself up, it's one of the best blessing of this universe.

@Hello world Message me if you really want help, I'll save you.

The 434 guy just released a super interesting video on water and what it means to us as humans His claims are pretty radical and out there so I figured I'd run it by my most trusted fellow self-actualizers. What do you guys think? It would make a lot of sense to me that the infrastructure we have to filter water is outdated and not able to really clean the chemicals in our modern water supply. Especially because it's managed by the public sector and not the private one so they really have no incentive to make it better as long as people don't start dying left and right. Clean water is something we take for granted but is it really? The incident in Flint was really shocking and showed how fragile our literal water supply can be.

So you think it's true or false? I don't know honestly.

Here's mine The biggest problem with this test I see is it doesn't seem to account for people lying. The best kinds of tests have multiple similar questions posed in drastic different ways so if people try to subconsciously make themselves look better it catches the lies.

@Leo Gura You won't need to, someone else will take on that torch for you.

I find it's easier if you know what you plan to do with these people. Do you want friends to go out with? To play sports with? To smoke weed with? People don't make friends for the sake of making friends, there is usually a goal. It's a lot easier to find friends if you have common goals and life situations i.e. you're looking for friends who are single and financially independent/can take long breaks from work so you can travel to different countries with and party/ meet girls or whatever your goal is.

I'm assuming a lot(if not most) of people here either have a reading habit or are trying to build one. My biggest issue with it is I'm so ADHD with knowledge that I'll hear about a book, go buy it, read 50 pages of it, think it's the best book ever and never touch it again and repeat the cycle all over. I find the feeling of finishing a whole book and being able to keep track of how many you've read so satisfying but I so rarely get through a whole one before getting bored/ distracted. How do you guys deal with this?

We have a tendency to make things binary (someone is either good or bad, worth listening to for everything or nothing at all) to make things simpler to understand as complex and nuanced thinking is hard. My personal version of this is I used to be a raving fanboy of Owen Cook and RSD. As I became more conscious and especially after Leo put the pickup scene down a notch, I went full circle and concluded he wasn't worth listening to at all. Everyone is nuanced. If you were perfect, you'd be God, and isn't the whole point of the non-duality teachings that God itself isn't even perfect/has it all figured out? If infinity hasn't figured itself out fully by now, let's give Mr. Wilber a break

This all took place yesterday on Sunday. I had been feeling more depressed/unmotivated than usual and was sitting in my living room listening to music with a good friend and having a few beers. My roommate ended up organizing a party with some girls and other friends that we know and invited us. We debated on going because we both felt down but decided to go open ourselves to the experience and party with our friends. We get there and everyone is drinking and having a good time. I know most people there with only a couple of girls that I've never seen before. The host randomly pulls out a bag of shrooms and starts offering some to everyone. I have done plenty of psychedelics in the past(shrooms, acid, DMT) but I had been taking a break for the last few months and didn't think doing them at a party after having drank a few beers was a particularly great idea. A girl sitting next to me told me she'd never done them before but she's down to try and asks me to take some with her. I let the thought sit in my head and for some reason, my intuition tells me it's actually a good idea so I end up agreeing. We end up taking only half a gram each although I get the heads and she gets the stem part. The trip ended up being really intense and ridiculously deep for only having taken half a gram. I've taken around 3-4g before and it felt relatively close in intensity, not sure if it was because of the alcohol or just my state of mind but it hit strong. The first little while was relatively mild, just tripping and vibing to the music. Then the shrooms really started talking to me. I started to notice the social nuances at play in the room, like a guy hitting on some girls and them not being into it and their body language was really easy for me to read while tripping. This is where I start to mentally talk to the shrooms or my ego, hard to tell which. I feel like the world is melting together and individual human beings are merged into just visual and audio output basically. The music starts speaking to me and everything starts getting very synchronized. I start thinking about my bad habits(drinking and vaping) and then the song Toxic by Britney Spears comes on. Then I go back and forth between feeling like the shrooms are judging me for my toxic behaviors and being really happy and feeling like I'm making progress in life and the universe is with me. It feels like the people around me are responding to the thoughts I'm having. As I start to wonder if I look normal, people make eye contact with me and ask me how I'm doing. As I'm thinking about a girl and how nice she looks, she walks over and stands right in front of me. As I'm hesitating to talk to her it feels like the shrooms are pushing me to do it but I'm overwhelmed and decided mentally not to and she immediately walks away and starts talking to another guy. A bit later in the night, a girl starts to look a bit distraught, she's part of the ones that took shrooms. The voice in my head tells me to go over and take care of her. Immediately as I walk up to her she asks me if I can help her get an uber home and find her friend. That seems like a lot of responsibility at the time(still high as balls) but the voice in my head tells me to reassure and tell her that her friend's fine. I start overthinking and wondering how I could possibly know where and if her friend was fine and what to do about this situation. Literally, two seconds after her friend comes back walking through the front door but a random guy started talking to the original girl but I could tell that she really just wanted to find her friend and go home so I tap her on the shoulder, say "hey I found your friend!", bring her away from the guy and to her friend and just as I do she starts kinda freaking out and being overwhelmed so it was the perfect timing. I'm really curious if you guys have also experienced something similar while on psychedelics or if I'm tripping out. It literally feels like my thoughts and the world become one and the world can read my thoughts and responds to them. Both really comforting and really creepy. I have to stop myself from fully believing it and kinda fact-checking it because it's very overwhelming and feels like a psychotic break almost; like everything is a pattern that speaks to me. The messages are usually really profound but perhaps sometimes corrupted by my ego and that's where it leads to strange conclusions. What do you guys make of this and have you guys had similar experiences? Also am I the only one that feels like shrooms are both really good but aggressive, almost like they tease you? Anyway, weird but really amazing experience. Glad I ended up taking them, just was really confused and overwhelmed afterward and still processing it but nothing to complain about and I definitely had blasts of bliss that felt shockingly beautiful but also confusing and overwhelming haha

@Leo Gura Did you ever end up getting it?

How was it?

North American cities are indeed becoming increasingly hard for the average guy to even meet an average girl. The odds are stacked against you as basically, every guy has access to every girl now. I have friends that are very high status that sleep with the same girls that nerdy guys with social anxiety, self-esteem issues, and poor social skills would go for. It doesn't mean you can't succeed but you need to work for it. I seriously think that dating/sex/relationships/marriage will be unrecognizable in the next 10 years. Most likely the movie "her" will become a reality. Moving/travelling to another country to experience dating there is a fantastic idea and I'd highly recommend it. Latin America and SEA are very common for online entrepreneurs and Ukraine, Romania, Russia and the Czech Republic are as well for those that prefer the Slavic look.

I 100% agree that online dating shouldn't be the only strategy used by men but as a supplement(especially in a pandemic) I'd highly suggest it. Most men absolutely suck at it and get 0 results, I know because I do photography and get paid to help people make their profile better. You don't need to be a model but you need to play the game right. Here are a few tips for any guy that wants to get better results: Pay for it. Put the pride aside, Tinder is a business and they rightly reward their customers. Even the guys I know that are really good-looking, 6'2, jacked, etc pay for it. It's $50-75 a month to invest in your dating life, if you can't afford it then work on finances first. Platinum is mandatory, gold and plus are useless. It puts you at the front of the queue, hands you free matches periodically, and lets you artificially bump your Tinder rating by being able to see everyone that swipes on you. Buy the 20 boost pack for 50$. Tinder works on an ELO rating system. If you right-swipe everyone, it'll assume you're a bot or desperate. You'll only match with other extremely low-value accounts. If you left-swipe on people that right swipe you/are high rated users, your rating will go up. This is where Platinum comes in. Pictures are 90% of it. Good lighting, smiling, inviting, high value, etc. Multiple guides on Youtube for that. In general, no selfies, no blurry/dark/stained pics, no pics where you're smoking/holding guns/doing something outside of social norms. Cast the widest net and narrow down from there. I'd highly recommend going out with friends with a camera/iPhones and HIRING a photographer to take pictures for Tinder/social media. It will literally change your life. The bio should be short and sweet. No listing your interests or what you're looking for. It's called qualifying yourself and should be avoided at all costs. If you're tall, put your height at the top. Put a joke in there or an interesting thing that gives girls an excuse to start a conversation with you. Instagram helps a lot with Tinder. Most of the guys I know all have a cool, inviting-looking IG and transfer girls from Tinder to there ASAP. More personal, safe and you can project who you are faster. Texting should be minimized at all costs. Most girls have a lot of options on Tinder, they literally are having 12 conversations at the same time. Don't be a pen pal, build up value and comfort and ask them out ASAP. The ideal is a walk/coffee/drinks walking distance from your place or your place itself if you have the chance. Big cities are obviously better. If you live in a 10 000 people town, you will run through everyone in a day. As with in-person game, invest in your dating life and move to a good location. I recently moved from Calgary(1M population) to Toronto(3M population) and the results here are about 5x as good. Not only are there more people but more young single people looking to date/have fun in bigger cities. Tinder is the best app overall. Bumble solid 2nd and Hinge if you're 28-40. 95% of good-looking girls will be on these 3, if you lower your standards I hear you can do well on POF/Okcupid and such but I have no experience with those myself. This is what I've learned from reviewing maybe 40 guys' profiles, doing shoots with 15 of them, and being roommates with a guy that invites girls over from Tinder 4-5 times a week, every week. I don't have those same results mostly because I don't care too much for it but I sincerely believe that it's realistic for any regular-looking guy and above to go on 3+ dates a week solely from online. You're in luck because the average guy will never put this amount of effort into online dating and if you do, you're guaranteed results. Having said that, I'd also highly recommend not relying on it and learning to be social, make friends, and network outside of it but that's a topic for another post. Hope that helps.

@Phyllis Wagner If you want, send me a copy of your profile and I'll let you know honestly what you should do. I'm a photographer and I've made money helping people better their profile. My friend has one of the best profiles in Canada with like 3500 matches. Leo is right, it always pays off to do the work and meet people in person. But if you want pure sex(I can't say I'm sure it's good for you) online is a great way to do that.

I feel like SD is one of the most widely discussed concept on this forum. I watched the whole series of video and use the concept a lot but I've never read the actual book. I ordered it a few days ago and it just came in! Super hyped! I'm curious who else has read it.