LordFall

I think it makes sense that we are in the end times. The human species will change like never before in its history. And coincidentally it all aligns with world peace. We have been going from roaming tribes to small settlements to cities to city states to powerful nation states to a globalized economy now facing what looks like to be something like the start of WW3. Once we get over this small hangup I believe our species will come together, harnest the power AI to become a post scarcity species and move past capitalism. We are also at the point of having the technology to be able to explore and settle the cosmos. Makes perfect sense to me that that the champion of our toxic values like mindless entertainment and apparently hedonism to the point raping children takes control of the most powerful nation state in the world and forces us towards alignment by unearthing how much shit there is on our society. In online gaming exploits are first showcased broadly because they are solved. I'm extremely impressed by the Bible and how coherent it is in predicting such developments of humanity. It was truly predictable thousands of years ago for a sufficiently conscious mind. I have a hard time predicting the price of bitcoin 1 month from now fuck.

Find other people to do it with. The time in my life I was most successful with dating is when I lived with two pickup guys, one of them being a club promoter. Slept with more women in 2 years than I had my entire life. Listen man you can try to be an armchair therapist and analyze why people want casual sex but that's pseudo-science at best and most likely an excuse to not take action. Be a good hearted human being that wants good for the women that you interact with and doesn't push boundaries without consent and I don't see how you can make an argument for not being moral. If you don't want a serious girlfriend and want to play the field and see what's out there; just say that. Plenty of women will say hey I'm looking for something serious or say cool neither am I and they will thank you for letting you blow them and swallow your cum(literally has happened to me before.) Sex is fun, it's a simple truth that humans have trouble accepting for some reason.

I like this point it's a good one. An easy example if you've lived in big cities and small cities is usually in smaller ones or tight knit neighbourhood people say hi as you walk past them. In busy cities never. Same thing I live near the rocky mountains and banff and when you go on hikes people like always say hi to you, it's much more communal feeling. There was a pickup artist Richer la Ruina that had a gambit based on this for pickup. When you go up to a girl in a club you approach when hey how've you been with a big smile and it triggers familiarity even if you don't know the girl. I don't like lying in approaches but you can then say I thought you looked familiar or my preferred would be something like "It just seems like we'd have the potential to become good friends. Hopefully you're not too wild I've had my fill of chaos lately." or something similar.

Sorry I don't watch videos without context but the most attractive quality to have as a man is abundance, mostly financial. Abundance of money so you can free yourself and your partners of financial slavery. This will then lead to an abundance of good feelings. Then you add to that strong communication and emotional mastery skills and you're off to the races. Looks are okay but not really that important. I work in the fashion and modelling industry and great looking guys that don't get laid is super common. Being charming, relatable and being able to tease a woman and find your way into her heart doesn't have much to do with looks.

I think you're putting fulfilment on a pedestal(which is not the definition) and taking it to mean after you've done X thing you will not have achieved fulfillment in all aspect of existence and nothing else will matter as you're now ultimately fulfilled. I think we can perhaps come back to common ground and agree that a relationship with toxic communication where the partner's aren't able to talk to each other and have an healthy sexual relationship will be less fulfilling than a relationship where both partners have worked through their communication and emotional issues and are able to have a fulfilling sex life full of adventurousness and openness. There are many levels to the quality of a relationship, surely you agree with this? If we're arguing semantics and you wanna use another word than fulfillment then we can use contentment or satisfaction. Contentment: A deep, lasting sense of peace and being "enough." I think it's totally possible to find a relationship that satisfies your relationship needs(whether that relationship is with one or multiple, I am polyamorous to your point but still lol) and then focus on other areas of life. Especially we consider infinity and spirituality then being ultimately content forever is impossible that means that your fulfillment is limited. To be infinite it has to be continuously pushed further unless you ultimately aim to reach cessation and basically spiritual suicide. I don't know if you're a tech optimist and futurist but we could take this conversation much further and bring biological immortality into it. To be "fulfilled" now you just have to be in that relationship for like 50 years get your kids and grandkids and die. It seems like we're soon gonna massively extend lifespan and now relationships will exist on a timeline of hundreds of years and not just a marriage based on childrearing.

No worries thank you for engaging. I will say I think you're underestimating how much woman want casual sex. Very common for women to fuck a guy knowing she'll never date for just temporary companionship and sexual fulfillment. I had a friends with benefit I saw for 3 months and eventually she texted me hey I'm starting to see this guy more seeing gonna see where this goes. They've been dating for like 3 years now. No bad blood from either party we had good times and went on dates even she would hangout with me and my friends but we were ultimately not compatible. I would also go as far as to say fucking me probably helped find her relationship as she could experience a man and know what part she enjoys and doesn't and what she wants in a long term companion. Where is the deception/toxicity in that? I would also go as far as to say the anti sex position is inherently negative and toxic. In many parts of the world that girl would've been shunned by her family and abused verbally if not physically for having casual sex with me. And the red pillers will say she has a high body count and is ruined forever now? lol Be careful with how you think about sex and dating, the shaming of it is one of the biggest cults in the world currently that ruins people's lives.

It's also important to not conflate getting laid with having a high quality dating life. If you prioritize pickup for a while you will get results. You will still probably be broke without a purpose. Having and living your potential through a mission/business that matters to you in a way that enriches with the one woman or many that you like and you're compatible with while travelling and seeing the beautiful world that we share is a completely different thing. That's what I would call the evolution of game and pickup = lifestyle design.

My man fulfilment means to achieve a goal that one set out to do. If you haven't been able to find a fulfilling relationship then say that and speak for yourself. Or are you just repeating Leo's post on sexual fulfilment? Have you had mystical experiences or are you repeating dogma? I apologize for criticizing you, the way you write it just not deep like you've not thought about it deeply. If you achieve God consciousness you will then seek any human action or will you seek to fill your life with relationships and activities that fulfill you? You conflate awakening and cessation that's what I mean by I don't think you know what you're talking about If I had anal sex with a woman I would of course want it again. If I was in a relationship with one or many women that would let me fuck them in the butt whenever I want to I would be fulfilled in achieving a relationship with open sexually women. After it's done I would then work on my business and work on causes that matter to me. With the beautiful women that are now in my life. I'm confused as to what exactly you're advocating for and why you're arguing with me in the first place. It seems like you don't have a point just objections. Like okay if we accept the premise that sex is not ultimately fulfilling then are you arguing for having an overall cohesive life that you've actualized towards your goals? Which I never argued against so I don't see your point. If you warn of sexual hedonism that's one thing but as I said it's a shallow point not very well thought out.

This is a wild take and I don't think you can explain it. How do you bring deception into this? If you sleep with women by deceiving them that's a projection on your part my man. I wouldn't say I'm emotional nor overreacting. I just hate to see low level commentary and discussion on a serious topic and like to call people when they say stuff that doesn't sound right to me to see if they can explain their sentiment in a way that actually makes sense or they're just saying random nonsense.

@Hojo Are you regurgitating stuff you read online or have you deeply pondered this and lived through this situation to come to this conclusion? It just seems like theory and not reality. As someone who's dated many women and had even more casual sex that's not really how I felt about the experience nor is it what I see in other men I know. Plenty of relationships are fulfilling. And I was fulfilled in them for a while until some lack of alignment and conflict presented itself that ruined the fulfillment of the relationship. It's not that complicated to find a compatible partner that enjoys sex as much as you do and to both have a mutually fulfilling relationship. You have to date a lot and introspect on yourself and work on communication skills.

You seem to air on the side of demonization of human sexuality. Do you have some trauma around it or have grown up in a very religious culture? If so you don't have to share but realize that this is tainting your view. Sexuality can indeed be an unconscious display of urges or it can be a deeply conscious process of both exploration of the self and the communion with other. Your view on it doesn't sound healthy and I'm sure it's not pleasant to live and think that way.

I think it would be valuable in a quiz format since Leo is not available to talk to all the time but an AI with the content that you could talk to is well the future of all coaching and education I believe. Be careful with simple summarization though, that's more like bastardization than a smart way to interact with the content. I once shared something from the Lean Startup by Eric Ries in a business chat that I run. One of the guys just sent me a chatGPT summary with top 5 key points from the book and said look bro i know that this talks about I don't need to read it. Needless to say that guy is struggling in business.

I don't know why you're seeming to imply that learning how to have casual sex is a bad thing but you're straight up wrong about most pickup guys being more into it over finding a relationship. Most pickup guys I know are not really into sleeping with a lot of women, just do it a few times until they find a girl they're compatible with and they like and they date them. I mean we can agree to disagree but being a loser means losing at the thing you're trying to accomplish no? Losing at your own life. Which I would argue is the case of most people that haven't put a lot of effort towards creating the life of their dreams. Which is most people that haven't put a lot of effort into their dating life.

@Valach That's fair I'm sure they have shadows of their own, I've only been to one event of such nature I gotta go back. It was very odd, I had never witnessed a man in a dressed getting whipped before. I don't like the idea of joining communities I usually build my own but it's cool to go and explore how different people live. @Hojo I think you're not wrong but it's also an untrue blanket statement. For example I used to be really obsessed about casual sex and the idea that a girl would fuck me only a few hours after meeting me. Once I did it a few times I figured out I actually hate it and I'm glad I got the validation from it but it doesn't drive me anymore. I met a girl one time that was a college student in a building which had a coffee shop that I worked at. We bantered a bit and she ended up coming to my place with a leash and handcuffs in her backpack. I was a big fan of that. You can say it's a sort of hedonic treadmill type of thing but I would counter that it was much more about having the intimacy and comfort to explore kinky stuff without fear of mutual judgement and from having read hundreds of posts on Reddit of actual married couples detailing the good and bad of their relationship, I'd say the intimacy me and that girl shared from having known each other 2 weeks is more than SOME couples that have been married for decades. Especially once you introspect on why you pursue and crave certain things sexual or otherwise I would say it's an insane thought to simply summarize the notion as humans going deeper into devilry. I would say the opposite towards divine freedom. You don't think God is a pervert?

Absolutely, 100%. I love to impact the world and interact with it so power is extremely important to me. If you don't have millions of dollars your impact and leverage will be limited. I don't like to be limited it violates my happiness of life.

That makes a lot of sense. I am a gambling man though and I would bet that once you've solved the other facets of your life that you used sex as an escapism from; you'll be able to enjoy it to that same intensity if not moreso without sacrificing the other pursuits that are meaningful to you. Are there not really only two bad forms that sex positivity can take? One being forcing your desires/fetishes upon others but I would argue that's way more likely to occur in the sex negative space due to repression and lack of healthy outlet rather than in sex positive communities. Number two being that you get so distracted by sexual pursuits that you fail to actualize the other areas of your life like your business/career or your long term family goals. I mean I haven't had sex in 2 years myself because I found it a distraction from building my business and my life up to the point where I want it. My business is almost giving me location independence and financial freedom though and you better believe that once that's done the description of what I get up to will be more appropriate for an erotic novel than a forum post.

@CARDOZZO You're not a fan of sexuality?

You spoke literally on how it hurt you personally and you think no good comes from it. And when I asked you to elaborate you linked me an 86 page PDF my guy. I do think sex is great and you can use it for more than just random club hookups but it's still for sure better to explore that fascet of life rather than put a sacred or superstitious label on it and be scared of it. I would go complete 180 that particularly because it is sacred and a close union to your dual selves that it is something to explore deeply and often as it will reveal to you a lot about your psyche and collective culture that we live in if you introspect on it.

Elaborate on how your experience tells you that seeking to be in a fulfilling relationship, sexual and otherwise, is gonna come to bite us in the ass. This is a self-development forum. I hope that you guys have done the work to introspect on your sexuality and figure out where kinks or desire for multiple partners come from. It's something I do a lot myself and still need to piece together but I still think you're crazy for insinuating somehow that quest is a bad thing and you're better just be in an unsatisfied marriage and not even open up the pandoras's box of fulfilment for fear of what you might find there. Here's 2 good videos on the topic

Your perspective shallow, uninformed and judgemental. The whole start of the pickup community was for people who didn't manage to date normally. Part of that was uncalibrated nerdy people, of which I was proudly a part of, but a lot of it are what are "non losers" to use your words like divorced men or people that were indoctrinated into religion and fell out if it and had to learn to date normally. Also to use your paradigm, I would personally call a lot of those regular couples that you call the norm to be mediocre/toxic/low quality relationships. Not all of course but a lot of times these high school/college relationships happen by convenience and default state and are not fundamentally highly compatible relationships between people who have worked on their flaws and communication skills/traumas. I know a lot of these people and I would shoot myself before trading lives with them lol. I run a few different types of in person communities both for pickup stuff and for "regular folks" like creatives group, business and investing masterminds and have been exposed to way more people and couples than an average person. If you think the average couple and person that hasn't done pickup has a phenomenal relationship, I have a bridge to sell you.

How do we go from having a fulfilling sex life and relationship to committing devilry? Deadbedrooms are quite common, something like 20% of marriages end up in that, that's on top of a 50% divorce rate. Read about it on here https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadBedrooms/ If that's how you wanna end up be my guest. I would personally like to include all kinds of bdsm in my relationship as well as inviting other people into my married bedroom with the full enthusiastic consent of the partners I choose to have a long term relationship with. If you consider that devilry I will pray for you and the sex negative, religious and deadbedroom folks.

Most humans have massive mental blocks stopping them from their goals, it's not really a thing out there stopping them. Also be careful with dating it's a very complex web of identity meaning that a lot of guys don't actually crave a woman they crave that feeling of being good enough inside. Right now we are facing a decentralization of dating(and work too) so it becomes a free for all of different ideologies. Idk how popular the blackpill thing is I don't follow it but I've seen clavicular pop up. The other big camp is the tradcon trashing everything every new trend in society and saying we gotta back to the way things are. Individually as a single person your dating options have never been better for you. There's a greater cost of entry to getting a relationship but you can now date any kind of woman on earth or many of them if you'd like. What personal issues are you facing yourself in that area?

Find a goal worth suffering for. This is a great video on the subject. It helps knowing that you're on the shortest possible path towards your desired life as well and not just hitting your head against random walls unnecessarily. Which is why reading business/career books is good so you learn from the mistake of others and see what route they took to success.

Seems like your life purpose then is to have the economic freedom to be able to pursue different projects that interest you on your term. That's obviously quite vague so we can narrow it down a bit. Along what fields do those projects tend to be? If you're passionate about health and healthcare that'll look different than someone trying to write their own anime. Have you worked with other people on these projects before? How did that turn out and how did you like it? What about in terms of economics, how do you support yourself currently and what type of marketable skills do you have? You will ultimately have to marry these two areas of life to be able to free yourself economically.

@Hojo A relationship is meant to fulfill you otherwise why be in one? Forced breeding?