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Really sounds like this guy know what hes talking about. Thinking about trying I find it interesting when he explains: If you take DMT externally the body and mind will treat it like a poison at first and fight it until it surrenders. But when you give the body the right environment and situation it will produce it internally and the experience will be induced naturally. - This seems like a much more healthy way to do it. Maybe can get deeper into the experience as well...and get more our of it so it´s easier to integrate in your sober state since it all happened naturally and you actually were "sober" in that sense lol

I´d describe them moments when "you" are coming closer to the moment, reality, truth, God. Not sure what your fishing for.... Like I said: whats interesting is when you produce this experience and no take it from a magic pill. Similar to when you go to a typical western culture doctor he tells you you have a chemical inbalance so we need to add this compund to your system. When in reality our system/body already can produce this compund, so what is better medcine / healing is to find what your body and mind is lacking in order to stabalize. The body heals much better if it creates the medicine. Like Mantak said if i understood they tried external compunds but found they need to go back to internal, selfmade "medicine" or what you might call it. I find it quite interesting.... Personally my body and mind rejects psychedelics at the start of the trip, and after the trip it´s hard to integrate into my ordinary life since my ego can misinterpret the experience. I think it´s "better" to have a sober experience but phychedelics can jumpstart the process. This is the middle way and as buddha always said, the path is the middle way

@Martin123 haha yes keep at it!

15 years ago I got into lucid dreaming and then astral projection which shook my perception of reality. That led me to Buddhism which led me to Leo who led me to non duality. Last year I did a vipassana and that was when my work really began. Unfortunately my job takes to much of my time I hardly have time for friends and family or spirituality. Working on changing that.

Damn what a trip! So you gave your friend 30mg cause it was his first time? what if he also was very sensitive to it? I take stuff people have experienced while on psychedelics kinda like a dream. I´m sure it happened but not sure it works equally in "reality", at least that´s my experience. But I do believe things such as clairvoiance is possible, we simply have no idea how this works (at least in the west) This is a interesting video on some science done with these questions. Enjoy

Explore and see what fits you. A word of advice, when you choose then stick with it. You might be lost in choosing techniques and changing stuff which is distracting. When you sit down focus on one technique at the very least.

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Had this weird experience on my last trip (not lsd) where at I was writing some stuff and happened upon two words I use in two different languages. If you flip one it kinda becomes the other but they mean completely different things but are related and even the same in a way. The more I thought about the words it seems like they shouldn't be able to exist simultaneously. It was like the reality broke down. Like...i don´t know how to say this in english: like when a sauce splits or breaks when you use oil and fat LOL Anyway it made me lose my ego but only for a short time, like a few minutes glimpse. Bottom line it´s nice to have an intent going into a trip but don´t plan to much or you´ll set up expectations. Everything can trigger a egodeath you just need to listen to it.

@MsNobody All I can recommend is try to look past your judgement and take the time yourself to investigate. I´d personally recommend his biblical lectures or maps of meaning. Unfortunately if you have judged him so much that you cannot stand to even listen to what a person has to say it seems that the struggle here for you is not about JP but about yourself. Generally ppl around me who have taken the time to listen to JP are not so hostile and ppl who havent say what you say. I believe this is because the media loves to hate JP as clickbate news reports. Also I am neither for or against JP. He brings some good to the world and some bad. It helps some people who are at a stage in life and doesnt help some. What I don´t understand is people who isnt in need of his teaching bash on him. If he helps others can´t he just be allowed to do that?

If I am conscious and I am everything including the pen in my hand then surely also the pen is conscious, it makes a sound when I tap it and leaves a trail of "itself" when i scratch another surface with it. Like I said before, all is equally conscious just in a different way. Else we would have duality, conscious and non conscious and duality ultimately does't exist.

@ajasatya So if there is no proof then how can you be sure you can prove that a AI or machine can never have it? If you say that it does feel like there is someone else like you in front of you. How are you certain that you are not projecting? So if there is a machine that works exactly like a human you know for sure that you could tell the difference since the machine can never be conscious? Let me ask you this: Do animal have consciousness? Is there a difference between a dolphin and a reptile? Can a network of mushroom myceilia and its surroundings have a consciousness of some sort? Im asking cause to me its like asking who I am, when I try to find the border between conscious and not conscious I end up not finding a distiction...that all is conscious. You could always do a Voight-Kampff test ;-)

@non_nothing Quantum indeterminacy: is the apparent necessary incompleteness in the description of a physical system, that has become one of the characteristics of the standard description of quantum physics. We thought the world was predetermined like a clockwork but Quantum theory is turning that upside down.... Im not sure about complete randomness. But it´s a subject central to the question and also a very interesting one.

@ajasatya

@non_nothing In the same way, how do you know that another human have a mind? Use that as definition. Well in order to do that you need to know what mind and consciousness is going full loop back to what I said, you need to know what that is before you proclaim that it can never be that. And you don´t seem to know what that is....I don´t know what that is hence I don´t know if it´s possible. But I think it might be since from what i know all seems to be consciousness .

@non_nothing I guess I interpreted your conclusion that AI cannot have a mind included that machine cannot have a mind. Still doesnt change a thing thou: the fact that you proclaim to know that and AI never can have a mind. @ajasatya Yes but we have discovered new ways to structure the machine, and with quantum computers into the mix I stand with my point. The question is do you lack the understanding how far we´ve come since the turing machine. And no I dont lack the understading how computers work: theire a couple of gates orderred in a structure. Just as the brains neo cortex is a couple of neurons ordered in a structure. What if we built a computer which had exactly the same kind of mechanical nerons ordered in exactly the same way?

@AceTrainerGreen Maybe under "Life Purpose, Career, Entrepreneurship"? Yea it´s a tricky one! I think AI and spirituality has some very big intersections. But from that point of view I´m not so worried that machines will take all our work from us. Similar to way back in middle ages when say 95% of humans were farmers we are now only a few % farmers. But the 95+% found other stuff to do. It´s all part of our development. Maybe we will finally have more time for family and spirituality!? Or we will just hang around fucking and eating....but I don´t think so. Humans have a way to strive forward and create stuff.

@AceTrainerGreen Since you posted this in the "Meditation, Consciousness, Enlightenment, Spirituality" section this will most likely be the context were are discussing it. But in that case I´ll leave and let you discuss that perspective Also non_nothing might have been replying to me...

@purerogue And why can´t everything be conscious? My experience is that everything might be conscious....I just happen to be a rather complex system and variation of conscious.

@non_nothing telling me to try get an experience of no self when I say my experience is that myself is all that is and is consciousness doesnt make sense since it should be obvious that I have had such experiences. It´s a very demeaning comment coming from an ego wanting to one up another ego as I see. Just pointing that out about your attitude for yourself.

@non_nothing I have not changed my attitude at all. Please read my first post and tell me how you know that I am wrong. To recap: Everything is consciousness so a machine could achieve a mind and consciousness. I´m not saying that I am right. But you believe you are without a doubt right so prove that my idea is wrong.

You said you know that AI will never achieve a mind and consciousness. Hence you must know what mind and consciousness is in order to know such things as truth. What do you mean by this statement? what person? What is this? what it is machine is not??? Yes I defent my thought "i don´t know but want to find out" from your thought "I know" since it doesn´t convince me.

@purerogue So you don´t need to know what consciousness is in order to determine what can become conscious? That sounds crazy to me. I´d say its obvious you need to know what it is before determine if something can be it.

@non_nothing Im a human being. The question if a machine can have consciousness demands that we know what a machine is and what consciousness is. You might know what a machine is but do you know what consciousness is? what reality is? cause if you don´t you cant know the answer ....that´s my opinion, and it triggers me a bit when people say they know everything and proclaim what is possible and what is not without doubt. When we are asking question most people doubt about and are exploring.

This is an amazing interview if you´re interested in AI you have to watch it! It covers AI - Open source - Spirituality and psychedelics

I am amazed how people can say that "computers" will never have consciousness. Do you really 100% know everything what reality is and how it works? Sure you might have an opinion but you say you know for sure?! Either you are buddhas or have the biggest egos in the world. Me personally I don´t know. It would surprise me but then again I can see how everything is consciousness. A rock is conscious, it makes a sound when I hit it. We humans are equally conscious but just a lot more complex, or in another say. Computers are conscious today but very primitive but I don´t see how in the future when a machine is equally complex as a human should be much different. What´s interesting with humans is that we are aware of our consciousness which creates a loop of being aware of being aware which have some pretty amazing results. I don´t see any reason why a machine couldn´t become aware of being aware.