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Of course, I can surrender anything and everything except my son, wife , and mom. Fuck job, appearance, money, society, etc... but my son's situation burns my chest like mf. If I surrender them, I will be completely death.

If I slap your face so hard, and at that moment if you do not think, therefore not react, you are in good place. You are open whatever infinity brings to you.

@Someone here waking up meaning is that The one who lives and in the world is the ego / illusion / self / dream. Your True nature is has never born, realization of this is waking up while dreaming. That's why, it is called "Wake Up".

So you are right, those people even meditate during the day while acting, which mean is mind does not chat whatsoever. Such as Krishnamurti. I accept it brother, it is not easy whatsoever. It is simple but the most difficult mission in entire world.

You are born, because you learn your birth, family, universe etc... you will die when you forget the stuff since your birth, including the birth. Death is the being before your birth. So when you die, you will go back where you come from, which is surrendering the entire stuff you have. That's all.

No, it is not.

Sure, totally understandable. If you know how your birth is, you can know what is death is.

Enlightenment is realization of your True Nature, which is catching the ox (stage 4). Moreover, there is 6 more stages. Last one is return to society. 5 minute 5 meo experiences are not enlightenment. Do you think enlightened person perception is like 5 meo experience?

I don't know.

What is the difference between inner talk / insight and mind /thinker talk? Imo, anything comes with love that's an insight or inner talk, anything that comes with anger, selfishness etc... is the mind talk.

Yeah, i think so too. İmo, it is identical for everyone. Because, love is the higher self and hate is the ego self so to speak.

Death is end of knowing that's all. You can not experience enlightenment , you can only "be".

Enlightenment = Genuinely Not Knowing. Life= Knowing and Learning.

@mmKay @mmKay imo, spirituality is so hard but not complicated. Living moment to moment is the key even if it is so though to do it, which is meditation every moment. Being aware.

You are your emotions. Emotional intelligence is an illusion. We are not talking about can it be elaborate or tolerant, we are talking about the Truth. You can not be angry, you are the anger. This makes everything complicated. Because, you are trying to control, meanwhile no one is on control whatsoever. If you recognize this it is ease to go with life. When you are not on control, all goes moment to moment.

@Joshe https://youtube.com/shorts/YQV2OEtUCLg?si=1o9nRtYk0CfdR7fK

It is the best experience ever one can be experience. Best ride in the park. Amazing stuff. However, and unfortunately, the experiencer is an illusion in first place, and recognition of that is enlightenment.

For me, Before and after enlightenment taste of an apple do not change. However, life changes. After enlightenment, if mind on control, suffering is inevitable. İf mind under control, bliss is inevitable. Before enlightenment, I was just an ordinary human being, who seeks for only pleasure and believes the thoughts, therefore I.

This is not true. Even if you recognize what you really are, life is still going, suffering, peace, joy, still happening. İf someone slaps you, what would you do? Walking the path and knowing the path is different. After enlightenment, life is waiting for you to learn.

Why should we think positive instead of negative? Which makes you close the god? Please share your perspective. Thanks. Peace!!!

Nothing is under control.

@Someone here definitely brother, WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE. Suffering is too painful but fuck it helps to surrender the self. Self becomes like a fire when you suffer, and you can't hold the suffering you have to give up, give up. I suffer every day, due to my son's condition but I had to give up, give up as he MY son, which kills the feeling of the SELF. Suffering makes us realize that we have no control on anything whatsoever. It makes us pussy, vulnerable. Thank you for your beautiful wishes brother. Much love!!!

@Javfly33 just go to sleep. That's enough.

How can one make or create the clarity? Surrendering, or empty mind?

Definitely brother. ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ Definitely brother. I believe purpose is the hardest the suffering gets you get more close to Truth. Break your heart untill it opens. Rumi. Therefore, many religious people say that if bad things happens to you in your life that makes you more closer to god or truth.