James123

That's why Buddha, Christ, Muhammed, Krishnamurti, Ramana Maharshi, Elan Watts, Abraham etc... were poor right? All the prophets and spirituality people life was level with only the survival needs.

Are you joking? And you are mod?

@Da77en what I am saying is that the silence and not knowing are the absolute answer of any question. Great conversation thank you brother. Time for me to go to sleep. Good night, peace! Much love.

Yeah. Well said.

You misperceive while imagining that you are perceiving. Why do you think you never experience anything before your birth or in deep sleep?

Easy. I can not proof anything because anything I say is illusion, because the knower is the ego itself, which is an another illusion, therefore can not be explain. Explaining is an another illusion therefore can not be true or The Truth. When You genuinely not Know as before so called birth or deep sleep, that's what The Truth is, Simply Being. That's why Ramana Maharshi says that you are closest to who you are in your deep sleep.

Consciousness=Knowing=Proving=Experiencer=Experience=Concepts=Thoughts=Ideas=illusion. Not Knowing=The Truth.

I am sorry but, These are all thoughts, concepts and ideas. These answers brings more and more questions and people get confuse. There is no one to be conscious of. Consciousness, me, you, experienced , experiencer are all illusion. You can not prove anything what you said, because it is impossible to prove something that does not exist.

What about if these conversations are just completely illusion, not even, so called illusion and now is before so called birth (Nothing has never happened/just attachment with so called thoughts/not even)?

I am just curious, how can you be sure in such idea?

You can not experience, "you" must be dropped. I appreciate for the conversation. Nice topic btw.

Have you ever experience no self or being nothing?

The point is when there is no identification, there is no you.

Definitely not. Totally surrendering is no self to decide or choose. Preferences come from the self. Either you listen the mind or not.

If you were a German in 1950's, would you hate Hitler? Or is it relative? If you are in a Muslim or christian cult that hates Buddhists, would you live Buddha? Or is it relative?

What about failure of passion? Won't it frustrate you?

The thing is you guys are at the point to understand this; You do not suffer, go or come back. You are already what You are. The one who suffers is the ego itself.

The thing is misalignments are your attachment with thoughts such as making the world better. It is already You. How many ants do you kill a day while walking?

When you surrender more including any idea, thought and beliefs, you will realize that You are that state, not you are reaching it. You are already.

In that moment did you need to change anything?

Have you ever fall in love? That's important, nothing else.

I am not trying to change anything, everything is already everything. Just sit back and be the show Nothing is personal. Specially ,Including for our self. We are not important.

Everything is within, nothing is without. All is already perfect.

Definitely. Good.

@Da77en Yesterday, I was a smart man that I tried to change the world. Today, I am a wise man that I am changing myself. Rumi.