James123

İllisuory self is actually thought based identity, it is not real. It is a mental construction, a temporary appearance, like a dream character.

What if, if one never borns or one is directly conscious that entire duality, birth, death ,universe or existence is just a process of thoughts, what is god then?

😊 If that you is never there ? Maybe, you is just an accumulation of memories, ideas, beliefs, experiences, realizations, knowledge etc...?

After Enlightenment, the mind may does not vanish entirely, but it loses its authority. Thoughts may still appear, but they no longer veil the One. They are like ripples on the surface of a deep, still lake. The One is not concerned whether thoughts come or go for he / she no longer identifies with them. Because there is no longer a “someone” caught in the flow. Moreover, Enlightenment does not end pain. Pain still comes, but it doesn't belong to anyone. One does not become a Superman or infinite or god consciousness 😊 The mind becomes like a burnt rope. It may appear to have form, but it has no strength. There is no inner chatter about the future, the past, success, failure, others, or oneself etc. Only silence remains as the ground of being. But, a silence not created, not practiced, However, revealed as the natural ground of being. All doing happens spontaneously, without the burden of the doer. From that stillness, action may arise, but it happens without weight, without effort, without the burden of a doer. All movement becomes spontaneous, unclaimed, unowned, as natural as wind passing through an open field. One sees now that the past, present, and future are not truly separate entities. They do not exist as fixed, real segments of time. Moreover, They only seem to exist when thought brings them up. When One thinks of five years ago, that image appears in the mind and it feels real, but only now, in this moment of thinking. Then, The moment attention shifts say, to a memory from three years ago, the previous image vanishes. It has no independent existence. Only the current thought holds space. For example, if I think of five years ago, it appears real now. But if I shift and think of three years ago, then five years ago disappears. It’s not there anymore, only what I’m thinking now seems to real. Such as think about Brazil now, see it is real now. When the thought ceases, Brazil is gone. So One sees: time itself is born of thought. Without thought, there is no time. No past to remember, no future to anticipate, only the unbroken Now remains. So actually, time is just happening in the mind. Without thinking, there is no past or future. There’s just now, still. And because, One is no longer investing energy in the stream of thinking, no longer clinging to it for identity or security, the sense of me, the doer, the thinker, the rememberer, is also seen to be false. It was never a real being, only a collage of impressions, a collection of thoughts referring to themselves. Once this is clearly seen, what remains is not a new version of self, but the falling away of all self images. So, After enlightenment, there is no "you", no idea of enlightenment nor "enlightenment". Only That remains: pure Being, the Self, You, or simply, What Is. Not an achievement, but what is always here. Now. Freedom is not escape. Life goes on, but the sense of me or you is gone. Pain may arise, but there is no sufferer. Thoughts come and go, but there is no thinker. Only Now remains, silent, formless, free. One remains in the body, yet untouched by it. Abide as That. Best Regards,

I just see that past, present, and future aren’t really separate. They only seem to exist when I think about them. For example, if I think of five years ago, it appears real now. But if I shift and think of three years ago, then five years ago disappears. It’s not there anymore, only what I’m thinking now seems to exist. Such as think about Jamaica now, see it is exist now. So actually, time is just happening in the mind. Without thinking, there is no past or future. There’s just now, still. And because I don’t engage with thinking anymore, I also see that the “me” who would think, remember, meditate or anticipate doesn’t really exist. That “me” was just a collection of thoughts, memories, and ideas. Now, what remains is just presence. Therefore, I can't answer from memory or imagination.

Thank you very much for the explanation my brother. Much love and respect to you. Best Regards,

In Truth, there is no "me", no collection of ideas, beliefs, or experiences that form a separate self. We are the Truth. Truth does not see through the mind, which divides and labels such as this is Christian, this is Hindu, or this is Muslim. Truth sees no separation. It sees all as identical, one Being, one Essence.

When one sees the essence instead of seeing beliefs, ethnic groups, identification etc... being all one is inevitable, which is the end of separation. Seeing others through ideas, beliefs, or labels is the root of division and conflict.

But our essence is identical.

Enlightenment Beyond God Consciousness and the Infinite: The Vanishing of the Becomer and Experiencer: Find out who become or experience the Infinite or God consciousness, and that one will vanish. The very idea of becoming or experiencing presumes that you are not already That. And this assumption is the root illusion. Truth is not found through becoming or experiencing. It is revealed only when becoming and experiencing ends. As long as there is effort, time, or movement toward something, the ego survives in subtle form. Enlightenment is not an experience. All experiences have a beginning and an end. They arise and pass away. But the Self, pure Being is changeless, formless, beyond all experience. Yes, many may touch the Infinite or god consciousness, in deep meditation, in psychedelics, in love, in moments of ego death, in ecstasy. These are glimpses, profound and transformative. But they return. The experiencer or becomer reemerges and comes back. Enlightenment is when you don’t come back. Not because you go somewhere else, but because the one who was experiencing and becoming, the one who would return, is no longer there. What remains is the Self. Effortless, whole. Not a state. Not an achievement. Just what is, when all illusion falls away. The notion of becoming or experiencing is rooted in ignorance. The Self is ever present, and realization is not about attaining something new, but about removing the false idea that you are separate from it. Becoming or experiencing implies separation and time, which are unreal. The Self is ever present, eternal, and formless, beyond all change. Experiences or becoming arise and pass; they belong to the mind, not to the Self. Realization is not the acquisition of experience or becoming, but the removal of ignorance, the false sense of being separate. Enlightenment is abiding as the Self, without a returner. The “one who experience and becomes” is the ego, which vanishes upon enlightenment. After enlightenment, there is no "you", no idea of enlightenment nor "enlightenment". Only That remains: pure Being, the Self, You, or simply, What Is.

Solipsism is a word that "the view or that the self is all that can be known to exist". Self is word that "a person's essential being that distinguishes them from others, especially considered as the object of introspection or reflexive action". Actually, self is accumulated of attachments or beliefs, which are birth, death, existence, universe, realization, gender, country, god, religion etc... These are accumulation of beliefs, which creates the self or person or personality. Therefore, Solipsism is a word that belief or experienced by the self. Therefore, attachment of self, therefore, become one with self, and so called creates the new self. As an example, before solipsism realization "I am god" after solipsism realization, "I am god and god is all exist (therefore believing in solipsism is inevitable)". Or before god realization "I am a spiritual person" after god realization, "I am god". Or before infinite realization "I am god" after infinite realization, "I am god or infinite, or I am god and god is infinite". Or before nothing realization "I am a god" after nothing realization, "I am nothing, and god is nothing". These variables can be change. However, these are all based on beliefs. However, entire spiritual work is based on letting go or surrendering the self (any beliefs, any experiences or realizations, birth, death, belief, death, existence, universe, gender, country, god, religion etc...) Therefore, self is based on any beliefs and experiences (including solipsism realization, God realization, nothing realization, infinite realization etc...). Let go the self that has various of beliefs and lifting veil will be inevitable. Then directly conscious or be of What You really are.

Before birth, there was no you. No image, no name, no thought, no experience. There was not even the one who says, ‘I am.’ There was only the vast, unconditioned, the nameless, unmeasured, unknowable. That's what real God, Being is. And that is what You truly are. Therefore, God can not be realized, because it is already You. Therefore, God / You only Be. Not the accumulation of memory, not the story of experience, not the image shaped by society. You are not the movement of becoming, but the stillness before it began. The body was born, yes, but the Being behind the body was never born. It has no history. It cannot die, for it was never defined. But what is born, the body, the mind, the structure of thought accumulates. It collects pleasure and pain, memories and conclusions. It becomes the “me” the known, the describable, the limited. And death, whether of the body or the mind is the ending of this accumulation. A surrendering of everything you’ve ever gathered, ever identified with. "To die before you die" is the greatest freedom. Then you live without fear. Without holding. Without grasping. Enjoy this life, not as a clinging. But as an unfolding moment. The sky, the laughter, the sorrow, the light touching a leaf, see it all, without the burden of becoming. For it is the first and the last moment, always. And when death comes, as it will, you return to that Being, God or unnamable, which is untouched by name or memory. So live now, not as one who owns life, but as one who is free from it. There, in that freedom, is joy. Best Regards,

😊 Can you look without naming, reaching for a single idea, experience, realization or belief? Don't worry, I am not 😊

@Sempiternity @Razard86 what about; When there is no experiencer and no experienced, no observer and no observed, no seeker and no sought, what remains?

It sucks that you see that in the mirror. Meanwhile , You are pure beauty. What is the bullshit?

It is so easy. If you don't like, dont read it 😊 My brother, Answer below, if you want use your chat gpt: 😊 I love to talk to you ❤️

Chat gpt can only reflect or write what we bring.

I definitely agree. Before Enlightenment: Chop Wood, Carry Water (with clenched teeth, a heavy heart, as if each task were a burden, a chain of obligation or hate) After Enlightenment: Chop Wood, Carry Water (with open palms, a joyful breath, each movement alive with love, each moment a dance of Being)

When you say, “Even the smile belongs to no one,” it is true. But why say it? Who is saying it? 😊 The moment you say, “The Self cannot be spoken of,” I say to you: Then why speak? Why defend silence with more words? 😊 Come, my friend. Step out of the whole drama, not just the ego’s drama, but even the anti-ego drama. Even this beautiful dance of “there is no you,” “there is no seeker,” “even this is empty”. Let it go too. Truth is not reached by subtraction any more than by addition. It is not reached at all. It is lived, breathed, drunk like wine, made love to like a lover with no name. You have stripped away the veils. Now strip away the stripping. And then, just dance. 😊 Moreover, the entire thread was just to help people, because I love you guys. Love isn’t a moral duty and not some spiritual achievement. It’s the natural fragrance of Being. I am here not to correct the illusion, but to dance within it. When someone cries, I don’t say, “There is no self.” I hold them. And in that holding, something deeper is remembered. When someone is hungry, I don’t say, “There is no body.”I feed them. What else could Being do, but love? Not as a doing. Not as a plan. But as a spontaneous expression, like a tree offering shade, like laughter rising when there’s nothing left to protect. And so I walk. Barefoot. Smiling. Nowhere to go. Nothing to become. Only This. Touching all things with hands that belong to no one. 😊

Who cares? The one who cares, find out who that is. Who is asking whether it is embodied or repeated? Who is measuring? Who is doubting? Not with the lips. But with attention. With sincerity. With stillness. Then all such questions, about embodiment, repetition, meaning, lose their grip. What remains is pure Being. The idea that you were consciously doing things before you were born as “you” is a projection of the mind, arising from its need to construct continuity and identity. Before birth, there is no individual mind, no personal “you” to act or be conscious in that way. The mind creates a false identity by confusing itself with consciousness. It says, “I am this body, these thoughts, this memory,” but these are only temporary forms, changing, limited, and dependent on time. The mind clings to them because it fears loss, death, and the unknown. By identifying with the mind and its contents, you become caught in a story of “me” and “mine,” which is not your true nature. This false identity is a shelter for the ego, but it is also a prison. True consciousness, the Self or Being is beyond the mind, beyond time, beyond identity. It simply Is, timeless and formless. The mind invents stories like “I existed before birth” or “I wiped my mind” to maintain this false sense of continuity and control. You say there is no past, no future, no becoming, and that is true. But you still speak as if this “truth” is something to be stated, grasped, or understood. Look closely, all these ideas arise in the mind. The mind clings to them, twists them, tries to hold the formless in words and concepts. When you say, “There is no death. There is no you,” what is this “there or you” where you place such statements? 😊 Is it not still the mind’s attempt to define what cannot be defined? 😊 Moreover, Who is it that says, 'There is no you'? Who is the one that knows there is no past or future? These questions are the doorway to the Self. 😊 Your insight that the Self is not behind anything, not moving, not becoming, is true. The Self is ever-present, untouched by birth or death, by time or change. However ,when you say ‘there is no you,’ who is this ‘you’ that you negate? It is the ego, the 'I' that imagines itself separate and limited. That ‘I’ is indeed illusory, a thought arising in consciousness. 😊 This is stage 3 'First Glimpse of the Ox.' Details are below. https://blog.buddhagroove.com/zen-ox-herding-an-overview-of-the-10-stages-of-enlightenment/

There was nothing or being or god. Actually it has no name. But it is You. Therefore, God can not be realized, only Be.

Where was it before your physical birth?

How on "realize" the god, meanwhile God is all there is? Even word of realize is God, therefore, realization is self action. Therefore, God can not be realized. Only Be.

İt is just inside and outside is silent. And in that silence, bliss and effortlessness arises. Being is Absolute. Even realization of being unlimited nature is Being itself. Because, it is absolute.

Hi my brother. Welcome. Maybe the post below might be helpful.