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@aurum Someone doesn't have to be fully yellow in all lines of development to have a predominantly yellow worldview. Lex is a yellow thinker. Green can sympathise with different perspectives but it doesn't integrate the different perspectives. I've never seen a green person be thoroughly politically centrist even if they can be centrist on specific moral issues. Green votes green. Anyway, I'm not talking about green "centrism" nor reacting to it. I'm talking about shortcomings in the yellow worldview. I'm realizing a kernel of truth in what you are saying. Most yellow centrists haven't properly integrated green. I think that's what you are calling "not solidly yellow". But it is yellow nonetheless. Spiral dynamics refers to worldview specifically. The operating systems that create these worldviews are modeled in Clare Graves's model. Many use spiral dynamics as a lumping together of these two models. Leo doesn't make this distinction clear in his videos.

@Danioover9000 Mearchimer is so wrong. He makes 2 claims about why the war is the West's fault. 1. America created the Maidan/Orange Revolution and is threatening to do the same in Moscow. The only evidence of this is ~4 million dollars going from America's 'National Endowment for Democracy' to pro-democracy NGOs in Ukraine. The conspiracy theory that he is referring to is so fucking wild and retarded. Apparently, George Soros is a CIA puppet who is also in on it. This video explains the roots of this conspiracy theory and how it made its way to Putin: 2. Nato expansion threatens Russia. The story is that Russia has a long history of being invaded and is therefore right to take NATO as a threat. The problem is that it has never been invaded since it acquired nukes. Mershimer never paints a scenario of how NATO would damage Russia. Well, actually NATO does threaten Russia, but only in the way that the police threaten gangsters. Also, Putin feels threatened by NATO because he thinks it's puppeteered by the same deep state that he thinks caused the Orange Revolution. He is fighting a ghost. NATO expansion might have caused Putin to fall for these insane ideas but it's not obvious that the cause isn't instead thatUkraine is liberalizing and democratizing.

@DocWatts Thank you. Right on! Adding that to what I wrote, value is found in the details. @aurum You are wrong on all accounts. I'm not talking about moral relativism. I'm talking about this kind of guy: Spiral dynamics is about belief systems, not emotional maturity. There is no model for emotional and character maturity quite yet so many misuse SD in its place. Lex Friedman clearly has a yellow belief system. That's how he talks to people on all sides of politics.

The two big benefits is that it cuts of funding to criminals and it paves the way for psychedelics.

The world has always been messed up. Your wold doesn't have to be and the world of your children doesn't have to be. You just need to be strong, wise and smart enough to make it so.

Truth is just a tool. Knowledge is power.

@zazen thank you for that post. It crystalizes for me that which I lack the most in politics and which I'm fascinated by, namely spiritual and emotional maturity. I've seen this the strongest in Chris Hedges. I'm attracted to a dialectical synthesis of Chris Hedges and Ken Wilber.

Try going fully into the anger. Dark emotions are like a tunnel, at the end is light. Anger is a fear response to your power being threatened. Take a deep breath. On the in breath feel the anger completely and on the outbreath feel the satisfaction that the anger seeks. Imagine and feel the threat being destroyed. Come into complete power. Omnipotence is a godly quality. Feel the joy of this power. Tell me if this helps

Many great replies, non have satisfied me completely. Let's make a distinction between what something is and it's behavior. What something is is the parts it consists of. For example, a car is four wheels, an engine, a shell, etc. It's behavior is how it interacts with other things. A car can go fast on roads and fit people, etc. Understanding what something is without understanding how it behaves means you don't understand its purpose or the purpose of the parts. Behavior gives things and their parts meaning. Likewise understanding a behavior without understanding what caused the behavior is also disfunctional. For example, hearing a new sound without knowing what made the sound is quite meaningless. Things give meaning to actions. Most replies have described the behavior of woke without explaining what woke is. The behaviour of woke can however tell us a lot about what woke is by looking for what causes the behavior. After some thinking my conclusion is that woke is green social ideology. Green social ideology is a subsection of green ideology as a whole. Green economic ideology is not woke for example. Bernie Sanders's campaign was not woke. Tho it touches and interacts with woke. Green social ideology is a body/container of beliefs that change over time by the people who have the beliefs. A key to understanding woke are the people who create the woke ideas that go into the woke ideological body of beliefs. These people have changed over time. Woke started out with socially courageous people with a nuanced understanding of race relations. These people were sophisticated and operated from healthy green. Woke, for you who don’t know started out way different than what it is today. Originally it was only about racial social justice. Today the people who shape the woke body of beliefs are lazy, dumb and dogmatic. They are running green values on a blue operating system, and sometimes it regresses even further to tribalism. The blue good vs evil is what creates cancel culture. Woke is not a static set of ideas but changes with the people who hold them. Woke as a body of beliefs can become healthier again.

@Girzo That's why I'm asking what woke is. My point is that woke is not the same as green

I guess a more interesting question is how do you draw the distinction, instead of how is it drawn in the culture at large? I did not intend for this thread to be about hippies vs woke. My point is that woke is a subcategory of green. I don't know exactly how. Is it perhaps green taken as a political ideology? But then can there be green political ideology that isn't woke?

@Husseinisdoingfine How much can you and the average citizen publicly speak against Putin before it gets dangerous?

Alcohol perfectly complements my weaknesses in social situations. I just need confidence, enthusiasm and to get out of my head. 5meo afterglow is also magic.

@ZenAlex Ramp up slowly your body is not used to it. What are your symptoms? I've done the same thing and nothing changed.

There was a study done where they asked American conservatives if they care about the environment. Most said no. They asked others "America has some of the greatest nature on earth. Would you be willing to make a sacrifice for our great nation?". Most said yes. I think the same appeal to national greatness / stage blue values can be done for other issues as well. Sell universal college as a means to have the smartest population in the world and universal healthcare as a means to have a healthy population. Also, point out how Americans are falling behind the world on these metrics and how America should be number one and can be if you choose it. National programs are conservative things, it's just in America that nationalism and neo-liberalism have an unholy alliance. National programs can be sold to conservatives you just have to market it right and remove the stage green stench. You don't have to signal to greens because they are already on board. Only a stage yellow person could pull this off.

It's too slow to make a difference in large-scale manufacturing and doesn't have much private use either unless you need lots of plastic gadgets.

Some shit I can't even imagine.

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@Bobby_2021 follow the European model. Collage admitions are based on highschool grades. Hospitals would still need client to survive. People choose which hospitals they go to so they still have to satisfy a market.

"What are the top 3 most important political issues?" I think asking this question is the biggest rhetorical leverage point rn. American political commentary is insanely off the ball. Asking this question makes people reflect on their focus and recenters political discourse. Yes, there are problems with overprescribing trans as a mental health solution but in reality, the number of Americans that have regretted a transition is extremely low. Yes, woke is a problem but how many are actually tangibly hurt by it? Yes, loose borders are a problem, but overhyped. How many Americans actually suffer from illegal imigrants? These are real problems that should be talked about. But they should be talked about in proportion to how important they are compared to the most important issues. The correct answer is: The government is bought off by big corporations. Politicians and institutions are corrupted. Ex: Military Industrial Complex & healthcare insurance. Lack of democracy. ranked choice voting to get away from the toxic 2 party duopoly and campaign finance reform. Most politicians are bought and paid for by big money. This ties into the first point. Insane levels of inequality and wealth inequity. Universal college and healthcare as a remedy. EVERY TIME someone talks about woke, trans or whatever in a political context remind them of the top 3. Then compare its importance to the top 3 and point out they lack focus. Every political commentator should be asked what their top 3 are. Then tell them they are wrong if they disagree with me. Then ask them what their audience would think is their top 3 according to how they choose to focus their coverage. It's probably something insignificant. Tell them they have the wrong focus. The same thing should be said to politicians but replace coverage with policy platform.

@Hardkill Amen

There still needs to be space and resources for people to spend years learning. Also, the pressure of tests keeps the discipline high. At mass if people are trusted to be self driven in their education it's just not gonna work. There is great benefit to the social aspect of schools too. An online based system would be like students during the pandemic. Test scores have gone down. It doesn't seem to work. I saw my brother get into collage when the pandemic hit. He broke down crying once because of how much it sucks to be isolated online like that. Eventually, online lessons integrated with physical learning spaces and digital networking in those spaces is the way to go, but it's just not functional yet. I've been planning to make a thread on UBI. But in short, it wouldn't work if it's at a level where people could sustain because it would open up the possibility to work on passions that are not valued by other people. How many young guys' passion is video games? If those passions would be valued then they would be paid for them, then UBI isn't necessary. It would tear apart the system. Where are you from?

@Leo Gura They will never accept green but they could get behind someone like RFK.

@Recursoinominado Ha can speak to blue/red/pathological orange because he is there. He can't speak to healthy orange or green. I'm talking about a rhetoric that can speak to blue, orange and green at the same time.

It requires balancing a line. It's possible and has been done. Marrianne Williamson uses such retorics from time to time with no backlash. This is true but not the problem here. The problem is that this requires stage-yellow thinking to speak to people where they are at. Liberals and conservatives are not able to do this either.