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Damn, bro, I just love leo's post on this one. I like religion to some extent I'm ngl, and I have been contemplating leaving christianity but at the same time it just bugs me because religious attachments can be heavy and difficult to let go off if. It gives you a structure you don't want to leave and the sense of comfort that comes with it like having a cup of coffee with your mates at church or in the evening a sense of connection and belongingness you don't want to miss. A lot of my friends are trump supporters and I don't want to piss them off.

Some of my musings. The time has arrived. This is your time. The knight has arrived in full armor. You are a living, breathing, human being that deserves to connect with how the air feels right now, warm or cool, how the scents filter in through the window or how the steam rises in swirls from a mug of tea. Breathe in now and grant yourself this time to integrate your experiences from the day into your growing body of wisdom. There's nothing you need to do right now but rest. Breathe deeply. Notice. It is not only your habits that are changing. You're developing the ability to look straight into the heart of difficulty and use it to move forward. These are the treasures you're discovering along your fabulous path.

Great question buddy! I wish I had more to say about your post but I'm a bit tight on my resources right now. I have a meet with a friend. I agree with Lordfall. Working a blue collar job is a great way to have a structure in your life. If you lay off the stage green thing, you can quickly navigate through such environments without it being too bothersome to you. Just don't join a cult because that's a huge possibility out there especially with those structural environments usually created by cultists. By the way I'm contemplating this same question and post to my own life as well as I lack structure and capability to hold it all together and responsibility as well. It's tough out there and i kept switching many many jobs as they didn't suit me that good. When I was unemployed for some time, it felt terrible to feel good about life or anything at all. I even wanted to abandon spirituality and thought nothing worked. Sometimes all of this can be a cesspit that draws you in and you have to wiggle your way out of it. Try it if you must. Experiment it. Join a religious group or organization and see how that feels and fits for you. The belonging to a shared group or organization, whatever it may be, even if it's religious, can be a vital motivator to bring stability to your life and carve a way forward. I hope you enjoy it and find what you are looking for. Don't judge yourself for it and there's absolutely no harm in trying. In fact I want to be on the same path now. I'm not exactly religious but I would like to explore as much as possible whatever is out there that makes living sustainable.

It means a lot of things and it depends on the version you ask. Trump's version is probably this - (though Trump's version keeps flip-flopping depending on his mood and a week ago he said that it means whatever he wants it to be in the moment) "Make America safe again, make America affordable and energy dominant again, drain the swamp, bring back American values." This is the Trump version as of late, at least till his most recent campaigning before the election. Historical versions also exist. It was a popular republican slogan in the 1800s and President Woodrow Wilson used to mean that America should be neutral and out of the first world war and should have nothing to do with it in a way to say American priorities first. It was also used by Charles Lindbergh during WW2 to keep America out of foreign wars. It had strong resonance with Make America Great Again. It was also an anti-semite slogan in the 1950s used by anti-immigration movements. It was then picked up by the rise of Ku Klux Klan and used as a nativist racist slogan to mean that America only belonged to predominantly white people. It was a way of saying me first,only my version of America here. (Which meant 100% American blood or 100% Anglo-Saxon. There was this so called one drop rule, a racist rule, at the time in America that meant that one drop of black blood made someone legally black and subject to slavery or Jim Crow laws.) And that meant nobody else who is — anybody who's not white, not Protestant, not what they saw as a native born American, an old style American - should be allowed on American soil. The age old debate on what kind of country country we want to live in, and who has the right to be here. It was turned from an isolationist slogan to a nativist white nationalist slogan. When Bannon refers to "economic nationalism" it has the same meaning. It bears similarities with the phrase "American dream" which is another popular catchphrase that Trump often uses. But the phrase had different implied meanings in the 1950s which was very inclusive, it meant racial justice and liberty for all and a prospect for everyone to achieve the American dream. It was then changed into making America as Trump wants it to be. As in Trump's version of America is the cartoonish version of 1950s America where Trump has it easy and he wants to presumably bring back that version of America. Trump feeds into the resentment that many people have they can't see the 1950s America anymore which means predominantly white groups. The struggle between liberal democracy and authoritarian fascism. America first speaks directly to that segment of white America that felt they were losing their power, their dominance.

A quote from leo's recent blog perfectly rhymes with your thread lol, "Mankind survived just fine in the jungles and deserts for millennia without science. But they couldn't without sense-making. Also, when you leave your laboratory at the end of the day, you can leave your science back there, but sense-making must stay with you 24/7."

From Leo's blog post, My god this is so helpful. I'll just slobber this shit up. Survival, sanity, psychology, and sociology come first, science comes a distant second at best. Some more, leo keep it coming. I can write from my own understanding of the entire domain of philosophy, psychology, epistemology, metaphysics, and spirituality. It writes effortlessly because I know it all like the back of my hand. But it still takes hundreds and hundreds of hours to write it all out, to phrase everything elegantly and beautifully. Mastery at its finest.

Ask Claude — what challenges do humans face that are counterproductive to human evolution and civilization?

Thats some absurd extreme stuff I just watched. But basic masculinity, for example, going to the gym, eating well, sports, athletics etc, all that doesn't adhere to such absurdity. There's emotional value to how you grow yourself and the paths are different for men and women. Like you said masculinity needs to be forged, trial by fire. Sadly views on masculinity are quite reductionist in modern society partly because men are never allowed to be vulnerable in a hyper dominant "you're a misogynist if you lay down your male perspective" environment.

I sleep at 10.15pm and permit 10-10.15 as last screen time where I quickly check and deal with some news, emails, texts. The period 8-10pm, I allow for entertainment so that's screen time too but it's passive consumption. The hours 5-8pm are for dinner and meditating. So for me the evening is all a gradual wind-down of screen time.

I use nova relaxing music + combined with asmr videos. Then switch off the screen when I'm sleepy. One example, Honestly I think I should just copy your pattern, seems very helpful to wind down.

Depends on what fulfills you personally. A sugary orange colored artificially flavored drink or a banana smoothie. Your choice.

Speaking of ancient living. A video from the 1800s. Mind blowing.

Godly godly godly. Licks my soup bowl clean. I can't survive in the wild even with the best tools. I need my gym.

@samijiben yes my jujubee. That's a very very tough question. I'll pass. I rather not give handshakes. I get the heebie-jeebies

They live without all these and they seem to be doing quite well. But I get your point. Without your pleasures, you couldn't go without a day. Anyway good video. I had a major paradigm shift just watching it.

Wow, that's nice. Then you are perfect for them. You should just try it for a weekend perhaps.

@samijiben the real problem at heart is that you can live among them as a guest and have a pleasurable experience too but you can't live like them because you simply can't hunt like them. It's a skill to be a hunter fatherer too. You have unfortunately lost this skill through years of enmeshing with modern slavery. But I say, get on with them, while the opportunity lasts.

Ahh!! Survival at its finest. We die paying taxes though, you made a great point.

If I may ask, why only a weekend? if you like it so much there with your distinguished divine enlightened hosts, you should probably prefer to spend your entire life with them, they would welcome you graciously with open arms as their delightful subject. You should honestly live among them and post your reports right from there. It would make an interesting case study.

It's just brute pure survival gripe. Ancient survival too. But where's the scope for invention. What if they get rabies? Would they have access to a vaccine or what if there's kidney failure? Would they invent transplant machines? You're looking at this from a purely theoretical perspective of just flat survival in the bush. But you aren't trying to think survival beyond that level. Their survival is basically as close as you can get to pure Darwinian survival, just natural selection, people who can't make the cut would be left to just slip through the cracks. Would you be delighted to live among them?

I agree quite strongly. It hasn't been outgrown and I don't see why there is a need for it to be outgrown in the first place. Outgrowing it or even bashing the pressure men need seems like a direct suppression of masculinity, like rendheaven said men would need an outlet for healthy masculinity to evolve as it directly correlates with their self esteem too —maybe the feeling of being a man and not a boy is something that a male needs to distinguish internally to have healthy emotional self esteem.

You're probably looking for quicker ejaculations. Heightened sensitivity -=> heightened pleasure right. These thoughts can be highly stimulating, but in a way that rapidly builds tension rather than sustained, relaxed pleasure.The focus shifts back to you and your perceived power, creating a self-referential loop that can heighten sensitivity and lead to quicker ejaculation. You're no longer fully present with your partner but are instead engaging in an internal narrative that can be self-sabotaging to sustained pleasure. Look into what gives you pleasure but also see the downsides of it. You won't like it that much long term or you'll get too used to it. You're kinda building violent intimacy with her. Just do it moderately as long as your partner is comfortable playing out your fantasy with you. Don't judge it morally though, it's just sex and you should find yourself vulnerable doing it, not judging it as right or wrong.

Definitely Oogabooga here... It's fine whatever thoughts you have lol. Play out your fantasies with your partner. That's what intimacy is all aboit. Hojo raised a good point. Why is cumming a punishment? You probably have some unresolved stuff going on that you consider certain thoughts as dark. You are just getting guilty pleasure. Bring that spark back into it. Have you been having sex a lot? It sounds like you've stumbled upon a powerful connection between your mindset during sex and your physical experience of it. Is it "God" or Your Body's Wisdom? You framed it as "God rewarding good behavior." it's more about how your mindset directly influences your physiology. Your body is incredibly responsive to your thoughts and emotions. When your thoughts are aligned with a giving, connected, and respectful approach, your body responds with greater control and endurance. When your thoughts are driven by less positive, more egocentric impulses, your body reacts with a different, often less controlled, physical response. This isn't necessarily a moral judgment from a higher power, but rather your own internal system providing feedback. It's demonstrating that a mindset of respect and focus on mutual pleasure creates an experience that is more satisfying and sustainable for you physically, while a mindset of dominance or objectification creates an experience that is less so. It's a powerful lesson in how our internal world shapes our most intimate experiences. Deep topic indeed. I'll be looking more into this as I myself struggle a lot with dominance submission thoughts too.

You have to take loyalty into account. In friendships there's no loyalty. But a relationship is iike a contract, you are allowed to be legally loyal to your partner or it could be grounds for divorce. This has been in built as a social structure since centuries. Nothing oogabooga about this. All relationships, even the "normal" ones, involve power dynamics, projections, triggers, and the negotiation of individual needs versus collective well-being. The difference lies in how these are managed and whether they lead to growth or destruction. The "deep mechanisms" you saod, the search for security, connection, development, and even the "oogabooga", are present across the spectrum of human relationships, but their manifestation and outcomes vary wildly based on individual health, communication skills, and the presence of pathology. It seems we crave these relationships because they uniquely satisfy a confluence of our most fundamental human needs, for security, belonging, intimacy, and personal evolution, all within a framework that often aligns with societal expectations and biological imperatives.What aspects of this resonate most with your "yellow perspective," or what further questions does this spark for you?