Measurement

[tvali]

There are scientific people, who like to measure spiritual people.

Some people tell me as I have studied spiritualism, active in meditation and research, I am not practical in managing my time to learn practical skills. Such people often come with vague, basic understanding of life - I am high in physics, math, engineering, I can fix a device or do woodwork; it's not limited to theoretical understanding of science. These people, often, have "scientific worldview" - scientific worldview is not so good thing as this: I can write programs, fix things, and practically implement the physics algorithm I need; I build information systems. I do not understand, why people, who can say science buzzwords, but not actually apply the science, talk me about "scientific visions" or "practical skills", where I need my meditation hours: science, for real, is about heavy math and calculus, not about some "philosophical stance" about why matter exists or how people, generally, do not have time and effort. Meditation has provided stable effort to clear my mind and do science.

Some atheists are "religiously very good". While "themselves", as atheist, do not provide anything free, they say past life karma must not come back, god must not reward or punish, and karmic laws are wrong, because if life is punishing and rewarding you, you lose the high goals; I have heard similar arguments from religious people and those make me think - but we live in thermodynamic world, where energy needs to be managed and shared: to say that "good people" and "good gods", as well as "good natural laws" are so much above this that they provide unlimited and free - I do not believe in miracles, if there is any God it's a fucking big work and to say that Universe, Love or Reality as a whole is so "forgiving" and wants to "give" so much - if giving and receiving has no meaning at all, do not tell me "receiving". I can see these atheists, they say they might have tried to give, or see people giving, but it was never given back - well, not giving back might be the habit of their circles, but the universal laws rather support energy circles, where energy is circulating;

- Materially, it's not giving back.

- Spiritually, it does: spirit of human is high; we have spirit of science, spirit of love, spirit of life itself or spirit of America if you want - we live in a world, where we do not react locally like matter, but spiritually we are far above it - we act long term. Logic does not dictate that what you give, comes back, because such principles have *long evolution to future*; but spiritually - yes if we seek higher future, we rather award and penalize.

Goodness, also, needs to be brought by example: business people, governments, etc. might be much more intelligent in general goodness to say it's only about receiving, and not giving, to achieve the highest good. Asking this from God, natural laws and spiritual healers is not so high: first, make the case example, because to prove physical laws for real - they need to give and not receive, not explain the "me" and "you" forms about "giving" and "receiving", such as "I take and you give" - this is a typical business story or government theft, but how the principle would help *me*, who can say "I" in a sense ..well it would work if he calls me "you", and me as well call me you. Otherwise, if you cannot afford healer service because it is useless, please do not try to enforce this pleased "free" prize telling that money is too much to ask, as well as health might be too much to not give.

Influence of past life karma is visible - while we are not literally counting money from past lives, the vibration often helps; we can get along better over experience. We often get things, which are made in history, and *should* reflect the archetypes which bring or take.

Such ethical arguments about existence of God or karma, that "the things in reality are stupid", therefore God and karmic laws are stupid, as they do not give but also receive, and therefore they "do not exist":

- The first problem: the mental leaders of atheist, the ones who tell they want to tell you science and you to believe; very often they lack basic programming and math skills. This seems irrelevant, but we really use math and programming to solve science problems, and rely less on this kind of psychological tendency: to ask and not give.

I can understand heavy dangers in this: if you think it's good to give and receive, and you give from heart; but then at 5 pm. you would like to ask something back and they do not give. I understand this self-reflection that you won't give it back, therefore they won't, as well.

- I do not understand why such people have such a panic about whether miracles exist or not.

- I do have some personal ethics to give and to receive, to provide some support to friends, and to live a human life. In way of human thinking, the case whether, in long term, you gain some rewards about ethical life or not, is not so relevant: the pleasure, in mysteries, is in giving and receiving itself, and the painful feeling when a dollar moves away from your hand, and the pleasure you feel when you get a dollar: well, there is a little contradiction; it's the world of "you" and "me" - universally, people are rather "them"; for example, he can explain his theory about why to give money to him, but if I agree *theoretically*, "he" would be replaced by "me", tautologically.

They tell me the laws of karma need to be measured: I explained the good things particularly, in this buddhist method, or kind of miracles, happen if you give unintentionally, keep the balance, and live it out well - but this is a long term measurement.

- Long term measurement is not physical measurement, it's spiritual. Doctors, if they talk about long term health impact, actually *do not measure it* in physics lab, directly, whether the thing evokes an effort.

- I was told the method itself counts in physics, what you do in this case to receive; to make this practically applicable the karmic magic should have ethics removed, and *still work*. Spiritually, it's not so: in spirit of men, if goodness is removed, they do not pleasure; the chemical reflection is different or might be similar, but it won't work out. You can study the history of business miracles - some kind of miracles are easy to find; typically the men first *gave* and the initial effort is kind of unintentional, not materially bringing the money - then, in long term, rewarded.

"Energy body" and "mental imagery", as well as "mental reality":

- Mathematical model has local and global properties. To measure global properties on factual basis, one needs to have coverage of the whole system, such as Universe or society, and to measure it completely: the physical measurement of each person, asset, activity and act is hard. We do not conclude this: the mathematical model has the local, immediate properties and those are material; but any law which can be implied, holds: and there are severe probabilities of laws, which can not be measured, for example circulating money is generally more probable to give long term effort, than the free hours given to materialists who have never seen anybody, who free-willingly brings the money back, and additionally has spiritual hours to convince people to keep it in their hands, the money which seems coming closer to the atheist.

- Local measurement is physics. The laws, which hold mathematically, are not physical laws:

  - Mathematically, rather, any vision, image or mathematical subsystem, which can be *implied* or provides *coherent arrangement* to the base model, is *true on the same level*.

Our human level has high level model:

- Mental energy: is whether we succeed and progress, or fail and fallback.

- Life, consciousness, our personal experiment: this is, where the spirit happens, and the model itself is not about direct particles.

7 chakra model is high level, but it works better to many people than studying the whole anatomy textbook - while a 4000 page medical health information is very prosperous and important source for us all, people often fail to study it to level of practice. In fact, I have seen people, who tell me 7-chakra model is inferior and lack detail, but who *still* fail in explaining these 4000 pages, and giving instant responses how to use it - for example, who instantly notice when my body lacks vitamin x, and point at the necessary ingestion item, like a cake or meat, which has it; I have often simplified 1-page base models and reflections importantly in the middle - a medical textbook, if given in list of 7 items, 2 words about each, or 5; very often the "better" model, when presented on practical level, lacks this simplicity: humans work on 7+-2 details at the same time in their mind, and the medical model to compare - must have the same scope, and size. This means, the 4000 page book, to be compared to chakras, has first to be summarized to 200 words: then, it must be scientifically shown, how people can be efficiently cured on those 200 words.

- This is nonsense that buddhists did not learn medical sciences of their days: mostly, buddhist doctors do learn this.

- The model, now it's insulting us spirituals: the clinical models are so much better to be applied in everyday life. I have studied many thousands of pages of clinical information - RNA, DNA, cells, blood vessels etc. -; I must confirm that while I can count 7 chakras in a minute, I am still struggling to understand the details. About practical usability, I cannot verify that when I am sick, I could instantly do the experiment to measure my blood cells and provide something useful - contemplating on buddhist models, I rather find useful things: for example, clear explanation about why to train my ass. Even music videos, such as Jennifer Lopez and Madonna, explain the ass-training principle much better than average scientist; sometimes they are very practical about things which relate to ass structures, but they lack an ass altogether.

We can see healthy living principles in medicine, but it's kind of pity if man explains this, then has 3 days of the flu virus - I typically use simple meditation to bring the levels down in 15 minutes, sometimes it's 2 days to be relatively healthy; if a person talks about coffee, about sugar, about why to put hat on my head - I really lack any understanding if they do not move their hands and legs with strong, easy effort, and they have too many incidences.

- Typical incidence of a man: walks and suddenly injuries a leg muscle with no obvious reason; 5 days home in flu; avoids storm or rain; complains about hard effort.

- All those incidences are far too typical: for example, big percentage of atheists wants special effort, time, clothes to come to deep forest; they cannot explain their "health considerations" in this incidence from a man, who likes to provide medical advice to people who study shamanism. A person who studies shamanism, a spiritual practice, often *does* hear practical advice - the people, who give it, often fail with an animal, get injury from just falling on street; often you don't have to wait more than 10 years to see them hospitalized for body medical reason. While this happens to everybody: I do not guarantee I won't be in hospital with leg injury or anything in next 10 years; but a person who gives me long-term health advice needs some 20 years of such time; if there are 3 medical incidences in past 20 years, I do not understand why spiritual healers must not take money.

 

[tvali]

Well one explanation more:

For example, for my 3 spoons of sugar into coffee, nice coffee and cigarette: I have heard people explaining the "doctors advice", as well as "spiritual".

It's like a mental pressure: I have to explain my own thing. The one: I like coffee and cigarettes, and I like sugar. I have broken teeth from age 17 for another reason - but I have managed a muscle around these teeth, and removed any serious consequence on energy levels, so I feel fine. I do not have any other medical problem with my whole body.

And this lack of unreasoned incidence, even lack of reasons, makes me tough in this: I like to smoke, and run, and breathe, and to be strong; I like evening coffee and a good sleep afterwards.

It's kind of nonsense to hear why *they* cannot sleep - I sleep long, I sleep 3 hours a night! I fall asleep instantly unless the evening exercise.

The people use mental effort on me, keep me in unconfortable listening position, and once they told me about sugar, I hear it every month, I hear it often. It's funny if I did not know about sugar.

The embarrassing thing follows: those people have health incidences, such as loss of energy in activities, days off by sickness, or fear of medical happenings on me - for example, I did jump down from mountain, in 4 and 2 meter steps, to my hands mostly, enjoying the rotation and everything. This might seem mad, but I did this only once. I was hospitalized for psychological reason, but it does not vibrate with this: I do have one extreme session past 6 years, every time, and I do have exercise, but now I feel so energetic and healthy to ask: what is these peoples problem with local term measurement explanation?

- If these people, for example, play football but suddenly just have leg injury, a cramp: why they do not apologize?

[tvali]

The last example:

- There is a history of man, who told about parallel dimensions and higher dimensions.

People did learn this, how they could have misunderstood - the man, the story, nor the details are scientifically proven; the leaders of thinking often repute science, but give non-scientific explanations such as "karma does not exist, because it's unethical to take something away". They resound a world where only giving.

I see the poor men who learnt this concept of that man:

- They get alert if somebody talks of parallel dimensions.

- They get alert if somebody talk of higher dimensions.

Well those terms - you can find them in math, any multidimensional math needs these terms, and you can calculate physical models, which give information locality and parallels; in each case using those words in mathematical and scientific; one cannot be without.

So I again see the atheist pseudoscience, who has a story of something, but responds with painful irony to standard mathematical terms.