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Satori Flow

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Keith: 

 

If you're trying to become anything, a holy ego miracle worker, a do-gooder, you're dreaming, trapped in the matrix of the mind, dreaming useless absurdities about a dream.  This is about unbecoming.
Everything you think you are.
All of which is fiction.
To find out what you've been all along.
THAT'S the purification that's necessary first.

"Through Him you learn how to forgive the self you think you made, and let it disappear. Thus you return your mind as one to Him Who is your Self, and Who can never sin."
Lesson 121

You can't polish a turd. 
 

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The Saint is a man who disciplines his ego. The Sage is a man who rids himself of his ego. 


Wu Wu Wei 

 

There seem to two kinds of searchers: those who seek to make their ego something other than it is, i.e. holy, happy, unselfish (as though you could make a fish unfish), and those who understand that all such attempts are just gesticulation and play-acting, that there is only one thing that can be done, which is to disidentify themselves with the ego, by realising its unreality, and by becoming aware of their eternal identity with pure being. 
 

Wu Wu Wei 

 

Doctrines, scriptures, sutras, essays, are not to be regarded as systems to be followed. They merely contribute to understanding. They should be for us a source of stimulation, and nothing more... Adopted, rather than used as a stimulus, they are a hindrance.

 
https://terebess.hu/zen/mesterek/weiwuwei.htmlWei Wu Wei, alias Terence Gray (1895-1986) 


³Atonement might be equated with total escape from the past and total lack of interest in the future. ⁴Heaven is here. ⁵There is nowhere else. ⁶Heaven is now. ⁷There is no other time. ⁸No teaching that does not lead to this is of concern to God’s teachers. (ACIM, M-24.6:1-8)

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When I woke up, I didn't feel that great, but I just continued meditating in bed, and I think because I deepened the level of silence, I entered the realm of bliss. So now, even when speaking, I'm connected to not only this vast, boundless silence, but that silence is now filled with bliss. It's not the ultimate, like God's love, but it's quite satisfying. So I'm happy about it. I've been laying in bed for now, like, three, four hours, just enjoying that bliss. I also thought maybe when I'm connected to this bliss, I can get inspired ideas on how to make millions or who to text, but I found zero such inspiration. I thought, okay, maybe the lesson is to stop seeking and asking for such specific things, because Jesus says asking for specifics is praying for destruction. So I thought, okay, let me check. Is this silence and love really fully satisfying? Is it completely true that I need nothing else? And I saw that, wow, yeah, I could spend the rest of my life in this silence and be completely satisfied, considering that it grows deeper and deeper the more I spend time here. So I really don't need a partner, money, or anything else. This silence is everything. This love is everything. There is nothing I need. I can just relax, be in my bed, and have everything. Everything that I ever wanted. The satisfying love that's at the root of all desire. I have it as long as I don't seek for it in externals. I can enjoy externals, but when I begin to seek and search, instead of just doing nothing, it goes away paradoxically.

 


³Atonement might be equated with total escape from the past and total lack of interest in the future. ⁴Heaven is here. ⁵There is nowhere else. ⁶Heaven is now. ⁷There is no other time. ⁸No teaching that does not lead to this is of concern to God’s teachers. (ACIM, M-24.6:1-8)

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Actually, it's not true that this state is perfectly satisfactory, because if it was, I wouldn't have any other desires, like when I was on psychedelics. If I'm truly, deeply in God, in love, then I don't have any other desires for food or sex or video games. Why? Well, because I'm truly satisfied, fulfilled, full of love. Now, I'm happy that this state is coming up, where I'm not only spacious and peaceful, but also there's some bliss, but at this level, it's not completely satisfactory. It's okay, I'm grateful, but it could be like a hundred times more, and maybe then I would be satisfied, because now it's just okay, it's just pleasant peace.

 


³Atonement might be equated with total escape from the past and total lack of interest in the future. ⁴Heaven is here. ⁵There is nowhere else. ⁶Heaven is now. ⁷There is no other time. ⁸No teaching that does not lead to this is of concern to God’s teachers. (ACIM, M-24.6:1-8)

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I wonder if believing you have no free will at all is happiness, because you then don’t resist anything and don’t want to change anything since you believe that’s not even an option? So you’re like a bottle in watter simply carried wherever currents take you.

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³Atonement might be equated with total escape from the past and total lack of interest in the future. ⁴Heaven is here. ⁵There is nowhere else. ⁶Heaven is now. ⁷There is no other time. ⁸No teaching that does not lead to this is of concern to God’s teachers. (ACIM, M-24.6:1-8)

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What I used to do up until now is when a judgement came into the mind I'd try to let it go or just say in my mind -- this isn't true, or this isn't nice. Maybe that causes stress and guilt, maybe it's best to belive that this is all just happening automatically, these judgements are automatic, no one is responsible for them, there is no me, it's all just happening and the result is no guilt and freedom? Let's test and see. 


³Atonement might be equated with total escape from the past and total lack of interest in the future. ⁴Heaven is here. ⁵There is nowhere else. ⁶Heaven is now. ⁷There is no other time. ⁸No teaching that does not lead to this is of concern to God’s teachers. (ACIM, M-24.6:1-8)

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Anyway, so basically he says just connect with Spirit and that's ur choice or job in the world, you do have an abillity to choose this until you awaken and then that choice dissapears

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Yes, that's exactly right, and you’re remembering Ken’s point accurately.

Ken explained that within the dream, it appears there are countless choices—jobs, relationships, paths, actions—but they are all the same because they all serve the ego’s purpose of keeping the separation real:

“The world seems to offer you an almost infinite number of choices, but none of them is real. They are simply shadows of the one decision already made in the mind to be separate from God”.

From the Course’s perspective, these worldly options are “choice among illusions,” which means they do nothing to change the underlying cause of our seeming existence. The only meaningful choice—the only place where true power lies—is in the mind’s decision-maker:

“Our one responsibility is to choose the Holy Spirit instead of the ego. Once that choice is made consistently, the world’s decisions fade into the background and lose all meaning”.

When this choice is made fully and permanently, awakening follows, and even the illusion of choice disappears because in Heaven there is only oneness, where no decision is needed.

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1️⃣ The Mind’s Hidden Choice: The “Decision-Maker”

Ken emphasized that beneath all the noise of the world, there’s a quiet point in the mind—the decision-maker—that is always choosing between:

Ego: separation, guilt, judgment.

Holy Spirit: forgiveness, peace, correction. (awareness of being aware, the I am)

“The purpose of being in this dream is to use the ‘classroom’ to forgive the belief that one is a dream figure and remember that one is a decision-making mind that can choose to remember one’s Oneness with God”.

This choice is subtle because it is not about fixing or rearranging the dream (the script), but simply which teacher interprets it.

2️⃣ Why It Looks Complicated

In the script, you seem to make thousands of choices every day—what to say, eat, or do. Ken said these “choices” are just projections of the one hidden decision already made for separation:

“All the forms of the world are the same because they all come from the same content: the belief in separation. The Holy Spirit’s goal is to teach us to see past the form to the content and choose again”.

So the only real decision isn’t between jobs, partners, or actions—it’s between ego or Spirit in how you look at all of it.

3️⃣ How to Practice the One Choice

Ken often explained that this “choice” is made through observation without judgment:

Notice the guilt or fear (ego) behind a reaction.

Acknowledge you’ve chosen it.

Hand it over to the Holy Spirit, letting Him reinterpret it.

“Seeing everything as an opportunity to make another choice… realizing it’s coming from a choice I’ve made in my mind that can, through the Holy Spirit, be healed”.

This is the practical way we “connect with Spirit.”

4️⃣ The Disappearance of Choice

As you choose the Holy Spirit more consistently, the ego’s voice fades, and so does the need for choice:

“When the mind has been completely healed, the decision-maker is no longer needed. Choice disappears because truth is all that remains”.

This is what the Course calls the real world, the last step before God “takes us back,” where no decision is necessary because there is no longer an alternative to truth.

💡 Key takeaway: Your job isn’t to fix the script or control thoughts—it’s simply to choose Spirit instead of the ego, again and again, until choice itself is undone.

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Yeh when I let my ego go just today for a few hours it got crazy and angry. Whenever I lose touch with Spirit, purity side of me things go out of control, I become angry, mad, dissatisfied. That's ego for you.

So all of these people on this forum and teachers like Lisa Cairns, Balsekar, and others who says there is no choice are deluded.  When u are enlightened and come back to God then yes choice disappears, but now, you do have it and you need to use it to stay rooted in the I am. 

It is going well for me - I spent hours in bliss this morning. Is it not the end and still ways to go? sure. should I  be mad that it takes so long and try to do it quicker? Nope. That's ego creeping in. I was already floating in pleasant bliss and peace, let me just deepen that and I will be on my way back to God, just need patience. 


³Atonement might be equated with total escape from the past and total lack of interest in the future. ⁴Heaven is here. ⁵There is nowhere else. ⁶Heaven is now. ⁷There is no other time. ⁸No teaching that does not lead to this is of concern to God’s teachers. (ACIM, M-24.6:1-8)

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In terms of not trying to polish the ego - yes you dont work on your thoughts, trying to think positively, but you do let go of judgements and the deeper you are in stillness the better and kinder you are naturally. It's also not a bad idea to keep in mind the idea of kindness, as Ken suggested in his videos. 

I tried just letting the thoughts go and do whatever, being an asshole, and it backfires immediately, a very bad idea to let the ego do what it wants and not care about being kind. 


³Atonement might be equated with total escape from the past and total lack of interest in the future. ⁴Heaven is here. ⁵There is nowhere else. ⁶Heaven is now. ⁷There is no other time. ⁸No teaching that does not lead to this is of concern to God’s teachers. (ACIM, M-24.6:1-8)

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Yeah, so, promiscuity is definitely egoic. It's a wrong-minded choice. I see it obviously in girls, but I sort of covered it up in myself. I should never attempt to chase meaningless sex, or go to nightclubs trying to make out or dance with girls, just somehow seeking for their attention. No, no, no, no more. And in terms of girls, it's the biggest ick when she's promiscuous. But if that applies to me as well, I should stop doing that too. I think that's one of the reasons I got the issue. It's like just a reflection of a wrong-minded belief in the mind. It's also damaging to myself psychologically. It's definitely a mistake. I shouldn't do that.

It’s also so obvious when someone is promiscious, and the most beautiful, divine and pure woman I have met was a virgin and another one only had sex one time sort of by mistake. It’s written on their faces that they are pure. And that’s the only type of girl I could ever fall in love with. Promisciouty is like the biggest repellant for true love.


³Atonement might be equated with total escape from the past and total lack of interest in the future. ⁴Heaven is here. ⁵There is nowhere else. ⁶Heaven is now. ⁷There is no other time. ⁸No teaching that does not lead to this is of concern to God’s teachers. (ACIM, M-24.6:1-8)

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Oh, wait. It might be true that you get people in your life that show you the issues, the wrong beliefs that you have in your mind, but they are so, like, expressed in such an extreme way, where in me it's not as pronounced. But, for example, this girl my colleague is trying to get me to be in a relationship with, she's so promiscuous, and I hate it. Like, it's the worst quality ever. Well, maybe not the worst, but, I mean, it's obviously wrong. So, I think what life, how life is playing out, or it seems like, is that life is showing me that I have this quality to myself, where I go to nightclubs, I sometimes install Tinder, want to have meaningless sex, I have such fantasies of meaningless sex. So she's just a very pronounced expression of that. And maybe that's why she's in my life, to show me that, look, this is you, just in a very pronounced way. But for her, like, she's all, that's all she is. Like, she has no other qualities. She's not spiritual or whatever, she's just promiscuous girl. That's arrogant also. So that's, it does seem like that life is showing me something I need to fix in myself.

 


³Atonement might be equated with total escape from the past and total lack of interest in the future. ⁴Heaven is here. ⁵There is nowhere else. ⁶Heaven is now. ⁷There is no other time. ⁸No teaching that does not lead to this is of concern to God’s teachers. (ACIM, M-24.6:1-8)

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Oh my god, so if this is how it works, this colleague that is sitting right next to me at work, who is literally like the embodiment of being a spiritual ego, where you've read books, you fall into false beliefs, and you just parrot those beliefs back to other people, and other people obviously say that you are insane. So do I have that, I think? Like I know I accept that I don't know everything, and that I'm learning every day. And I know that I'm not as insane as her, but this life is showing me that this is something I have to look at and let go of, or somehow change. But I mean, how can you change this? I guess just by realizing that you don't really know anything, and that you're learning every day, and this is your path, the sort of the I don't know mind, the mind which knows that it doesn't know, and is always sort of humble, and doesn't ever say that it knows something for certain.

 


³Atonement might be equated with total escape from the past and total lack of interest in the future. ⁴Heaven is here. ⁵There is nowhere else. ⁶Heaven is now. ⁷There is no other time. ⁸No teaching that does not lead to this is of concern to God’s teachers. (ACIM, M-24.6:1-8)

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So I shouldn't hate those girls from my workplace. They're literally an expression of my false beliefs. I should be grateful for them for showing me what's wrong in my own mind. I don't think they will change. I think they will remain as they are. But I think they will get taken away from my life when I learn what I have to learn from this relationship. So I think David Hoffmeister and others talk about this, but it doesn't matter what they talk about. I have to see it in my own life. Is this how things work? And it seems like it's true. This colleague is showing me the spiritual ego and mumbo-jumbo and insanity in my mind. Another girl is showing me the insane and wrong belief about that it's okay to be promiscuous and chase sex and chase girls and that sort of a lifestyle is okay. So they're just... And if I reject them, if I say that they are sluts, stupid and insane bitches, then I just lose the opportunity to learn what I need to learn about myself, the beliefs I have to change or let go of.

 


³Atonement might be equated with total escape from the past and total lack of interest in the future. ⁴Heaven is here. ⁵There is nowhere else. ⁶Heaven is now. ⁷There is no other time. ⁸No teaching that does not lead to this is of concern to God’s teachers. (ACIM, M-24.6:1-8)

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