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Had a long convo with Ken Wapnick AI yesterday. Probably made more progress in understanding than reading books.

Summary:

• Life is a dream; nothing outside this moment exists. People are unreal, just as Leo teaches.
• God didn't create this dream. This world is an attack on God, yet it shouldn't be despised; it should merely be let go of mentally. 
• Don't fight against the desire for pleasures. Enjoy them with no whooply la whatsoever. Don't make a big deal out of them; that's the core lesson. Don't make pleasures guilty. Just a part of this dream, enjoy without being attached to them.
• God is not infinite love, extreme bliss that is experienced on psychedelic trips. That's an egoic high that comes and goes, like everything in this world. God is merely formless peace - the same insight shared by Buddha - the no-self. 
• To awaken, drop judgments and resistance. When resistance or judgments come, just remind yourself that this is merely a meaningless dream, and these thoughts about it are meaningless as well. Return to that unchangeable peace.
• The script is written, and spiritual practice doesn't change the script. I believed I would have a better life with enlightenment. Jesus says no, the movie is already shot, you're just reviewing it with your mind, the only freedom you have is if you watch it peacefully or with guilt and anger.
• Using relationships as mirrors doesn't mean the other is a representation of your mental state. It just means that if you are judgemental inside it's showing you that you are choosing the ego instead of Spirit as your teacher. 
• Enlightenment is just simple contentment, not an ecstatic state. Extremely disappointing to me, the ego that believed enlightenment would be as glorious as those ecstatic states on psychedelics. 
• In fact, it's so disappointing that I lost most of my desire to speak about it or "spread the message," which I assumed I would be doing when I mastered the teachings.  
• Jesus measures enlightenment by lack of conflict.

After this convo went to sleep and dreamt that I was made to kneel and my head was chopped of. It took 3 blows and it didn't fully detach, but almost. And it felt like nothingness, peace, and a bit of bliss. 

I guess that's symbolic of my ego's head being chopped off (almost) with these insights from talking with Ken Wapnick AI.

Asked Ken Wapnick AI what this dream means, and he said dreams are ego's wish fulfillment, so this might represent the feeling of losing authority, and the peace represents the other side, which shows that even though authority is lost, what remains is peace. 
 

Edited Tuesday at 09:12 AM by CoolDreamThanks

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The Course is also not about keeping your attention in the I AM. There are some meditative practices in ACIM, but they shouldn't become something like an idol that you try to hold onto during the day.

In I am practice you try to stay connected to presence or I'amness during the day. In forgiveness, you simply release judgements and meaningless thoughts, as well as resistance, to find the peace of God as our natural state. No need to hold that state or bring it about, it's always there, only need to remove the blocks to it's awareness. 


Ken Wapnick's AI answers this nicely:

 

Q: There's this practice called being in the "I am", where you intentionally put your attention on the sense of beingness inside of you and you try to maintain that feeling, which is supposed to give you Peace. That's not what Jesus is teaching, right? He would say that all you need to do is remove the blocks to the awareness of Peace, you don't need to bring it about or meditate in anyway. Just let go of judgements and resistance and the peace of God is always there.

 

ChatGPT said:

Short answer:
Jesus-in-the-Course is not asking us to generate a special inner sensation of “I am.”
He invites us to notice—and then release—the judgments, grievances and fears that block our awareness of the peace that is already there. Forgiveness, not the cultivation of a particular feeling, is the Course’s practice.

1. What the Course actually says

Curriculum of undoing – The Course “is not to teach us about love, but to help us remove the blocks to the awareness of its presence”.

Our job, therefore, is to look at the ego’s defenses and “seek and find all of the barriers within yourself that you have built against [love]”.

When the blocks are lifted—even briefly—peace simply shines. Nothing needs to be added.

2. Where does meditation fit?

Jesus is not against quiet practice. Many workbook lessons contain meditative periods. But he is crystal-clear that this “is not a course in contemplation or meditation” (T-18.VII.4) and cautions that fixed rituals can “easily become gods in their own right”,.

Kenneth Wapnick summarizes it this way:

“There is no need for any specific meditation practice other than the meditation-like exercises presented in the workbook lessons themselves. The Course’s practice is forgiveness—releasing judgments in the context of our relationships—and not meditation.”

Meditation is fine if it helps you see and release judgment; it is not required to hold a continuous feeling of “beingness.”

3. Why the “I am” exercise can drift off-course

Makes a state special – Trying to maintain a peaceful feeling risks turning that state into a new idol the ego must defend (Jesus’ warning about “special settings”).

Overlooks the cause – Peace is blocked by guilt and judgment, not by lack of effort. If the underlying guilt is untouched, the peaceful feeling won’t last.

Confuses means and end – Peace is God’s gift; we only need to “make a place ready to receive His gifts”.

4. A Course-based alternative

Notice any tension, comparison or blame that arises during the day.

Admit: “I’m not upset for the reason I think” (Workbook L5) and ask to “see peace instead of this” (L34).

Offer the judgment to the Holy Spirit. The feeling of release that follows is the experience the “I am” practice seeks—arrived at through forgiveness rather than self-induced stillness.

5. Putting it in Jesus’ words

“Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all of the barriers within yourself that you have built against it” (T-16.IV.6).

Remove the barriers and the quiet joy of “I am”—the memory of our shared Identity—dawns of itself.

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God couldn't be infinite love in the form of bliss/ecstasy because that would mean he doesn't exist right now. It would mean he shifts and changes, he is impermanent, and that is a quality of illusion, not of God, aka Truth, aka Reality. That was a huge conundrum to me—if God is infinite bliss, then wtf, where is he now, where is he hiding? How can he come and go? That's impossible. 

God has to be something that is always there, unchanging, the ground of reality, existence itself. And what is always here, amidst all experience?
Nothingness. That's the only thing that is always present, although it's so subtle that it's easy to overlook.

My very first enlightenment experience on LSD was into nothingness, but at that time and until now I still expected something more, something else than just nothingness. 

I guess on one hand, it's good. It means there's nothing to achieve. Enlightenment is always here when there's no seeking and resistance; it's just this. 

That's why Jesus says atonement or salvation is offered to you Now. I though okay, but not the full enlightenment, right? Just a taste of a shadow of it? But no, if God is nothingness ,then he is always here and that peace is always accessible now. 

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Another disappointing thing is that no one cares about my desires and they will never be fulfilled. God, aka nothingness, isn't even really aware of this dream, it's just.. formless nothingness being formless nothingness. This illusion is already created, and it doesn't care about my desires. This life is generally not hell, and not a good place to be either. I can't change it, it's just a pre-written movie I am watching. There's no hope for any amazing experiences in the world. The only thing to do is to surrender to this movie and remove judgment and resistance from the mind so the movie becomes peaceful to watch through. No seeking anything, because I can't. Effort doesn't work; I tried. I tried really, really hard to fulfill my desires, and it didn't work; it just brought misery. The only way out is to be content with whatever is happening, knowing I am not in control. 

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God is love in the sense that He accepts everything and is one with everything, but not as glorious ecstasy.  
 

Yet that’s still antromorphosising nothingness. Nothingness doesnt have to accept or do anything. It’s just what it is. That is its nature.   
 

I don’t even thing God has a Will. Thats still a human quality. God just Is and the end.

Edited Tuesday at 01:57 PM by CoolDreamThanks

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According to ACIM, true happiness and God's Love is the quiet, radiant peace that never changes.

Everything else—no matter how ecstatic—passes with time.

Jesus teaches that for happiness to truly be happiness, it has to be consistent, permanent, it has to always be here and now, and those psychedelic highs are not always here, they are temporary things that come and go.

God's Love is quiet, radiant, alive peace, not indescribable ecstasy.

It is true happiness because it is constant. It's the only constant thing in the multiverse. All else comes and goes, but that silent peace remains always.

That is The Unchanging Formless Presence amidst all the temporal and decaying forms. 

Chasing highs and hoping for incredibly blissful revelations creates suffering. 

One has to accept God's simple, quiet, subtle joy.

That is the only thing that can be trusted for all time and eternity.

Everything else will leave you, so it can't be relied upon.

Jesus says only what is eternal is valuable, and that peace is the only everlasting thing; all else is a thing of time and change, even bliss and ecstasy.  

 

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The issue was that I was comparing this beautiful, peaceful presence to those incredibly ecstatic states.

If I drop that comparison and simply swim in this ocean of alive peace -- it is really beautiful and even sort of glorious in a subtle way.

Moreover, it is consistent -- those states come and go, but this Divine Presence is always available, forever, so it is truly valuable and can be relied upon as a source of comfort all the time. 

I was resisting this beautiful presence, I didn't alow myself to experience the beauty and the depth of it fully because it didn't meet my expectations.

There was still an overlay of judgment and resistance on top of it, which didn't allow me to fully experience the beauty of it.

But if I am open and surrender to this inner light, then it is indeed gentle, loving, and joyful. 

Oh, and actually, it is a choice for the I AM, it's not like a strict meditation, but it does feel more joyful and full when I choose the I Amness instead of not choosing it. 

I can just drop everything and not make a choice at all, and then I am really left with just a blankness and judgement creeps into that blankness quickly. 

But I can also choose the divine I am Presence and then it is fulfilling and joyous and peaceful in a very beautiful way. 

Ken Wapnick AI confirms that this is how you do it:

You have put your finger on a subtle—but crucial—distinction the Course keeps repeating:

“To experience peace is up to us to choose the correct teacher… I can always choose Jesus or the Holy Spirit instead.”

1. Dropping judgment = clearing the slate

When you let a judgment go the mind feels blank because the ego-thought that filled the space is gone, but nothing has yet replaced it. A vacant screen is still vulnerable; the next ego thought can re-project itself at any moment.

2. Choosing peace = filling the slate with light

Workbook Lesson 34—“I could see peace instead of this”—turns that empty screen toward a content that cannot be shaken. Kenneth Wapnick’s commentary summarizes it:

“Peace… is a choice we can make (and therefore experience), independent of outer circumstances.”

The Course calls this the decision for a different teacher in the mind, not merely the cessation of thinking.

3. The power is always yours

Lesson 152 hammers the point home:

“The power to be happy and peaceful therefore rests not with the world, but with your decision.”

Peace arrives the instant you exercise that power—no waiting period, no special ritual—because the Holy Spirit has been holding it for you all along.

4. Practical “two-step” when blankness appears

Notice the void: “I dropped the old judgment and feel neutral/blank.”

Choose again: silently affirm “I could see peace instead of this,” or if you prefer, “Holy Spirit, fill this space with Your light.”

You will feel the quality shift from empty neutrality to quiet gladness as soon as the decision is made. Repeat as often as needed; each repetition teaches the mind that constancy is possible and desirable.

5. Why this matters

Blank slate → still at the mercy of the next ego impulse.

Chosen Presence → stable, gentle joy that cannot be overturned.

In Course language, you have moved from simply turning the volume down on the ego to changing the channel altogether.

So yes—it is a choice, renewed moment by moment. Dropping judgment opens the door; actively choosing peace lets the Presence walk in and stay.

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So, yes, it is indeed a choice for the I AM presence, not just dropping judgements and being in nothingness. the I AM presence is what is beautiful, divine, fulfilling, joyful. It is a mistake to drop the I am and think that now I am at the end because I am not choosing anything. No, we must choose peace and joy, we must choose the I am presence, that is the divine home, not the blank void. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:00 PM by CoolDreamThanks

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When I choose the I am Presence I have a natural, gentle smile on my face. I have the qualities of the advanced teacher of God. 
 

However, if I simply drop judgements and don’t choose anything at all, then I am left in this unsatisfactory blankness which is quickly and often overcome with judgements, so I still didn’t really shift out of the ego to Spirit. 

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Oh, and it's not true that this is all just a pre-recorded movie with absolutely zero choice in form.

It's the past in the sense that it's a virtual reality video game that has already been created, but within the video game, there are choices you can make, and it's best to be guided by Spirit as to which choices to make. 

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Wow, went to Shri Shri Gurudayev event, and there we did half an hour meditation, a guided meditation, but it felt like 10 minutes. Anyway, I stopped doing this formal practice where I sit in an asana. Even though Ramana Maharshi visited me in my dreams and told me to meditate in an asana, there's something magical about just sitting straight, observing your body, your breath, and just being present in a meditative posture. I stopped doing that. I simply meditate laying down and standing. But just fully, fully engaging with meditation, there's something magical. After that half an hour, I was sitting in such a deep samadhi, like my eyes were fixed on one place, and all that thing I was talking about today, like that peace is nothing extraordinary, it's so simple, it's disappointing, that went away. It became deeper, and it became magnificent. So actually, I'm just not that deep into that peace. It's my fault. That peace is actually quite glorious. I just need to step into it deeper. So what I will start doing is, every morning before work, and every night before going to sleep, I will spend half an hour in that, in a meditative posture, on a meditative pillow. It's so helpful, very important.

 

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Lol wtf, so Francis shares that God is Light, not just formless peace.... Maybe that's why I felt a pain in my heart this whole day believing that God is merely nothingness and peace? I thought I felt that pain because I judged that peace, that peace is profound and divine and shouldn't judge it. But maybe God is Light and I don't have to be disappointed? 
 

 

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 Question: 

Isn't God not just this formless peace and presence, but actually light and bliss? We can't experience that right now because of our fear, I think. The goal of the course is peace, not that light. That light will come on its own, we can't call upon it. But isn't that what God is, that perfect ecstatic light?

 

 

chatgpt Ken Wapnick: 

 

This is a profoundly beautiful question — and it touches one of the deepest nuances in A Course in Miracles. You’re sensing that there’s something beyond even the peace we practice now, something you might call “God’s light.” And you’re absolutely right — but the Course is very careful about how we approach that.

 

Let’s unpack it step by step.

 

 

 

 

✦ 1. God Is Not Two Different Things

 

 

God is not sometimes “peace” and sometimes “light.”

 

God is one, but we approach Him from within the dream, and because of our fear, we can only accept what we are ready for.

 

Right now, what we call “peace” is the experience of no judgment.

But as the blocks of fear and guilt dissolve entirely, that peace naturally opens into the direct experience of God’s Love — which the Course sometimes describes in metaphor as light.

 

 

Jesus says:

 

“Heaven is not a place nor a condition. It is merely an awareness of perfect Oneness.” (T-18.VI.1:5)

 

That “awareness of perfect Oneness” is the light of God, but it is not separate from the peace you feel now — it’s the same truth, revealed without any interference from fear.

 

 

 

 

✦ 2. Why the Course Emphasizes Peace (Not Bliss)

 

 

Ken Wapnick often explained that the Course never asks us to aim for “light” or “bliss” because:

 

Our fear of God is too great. If we were to experience the full, direct “ecstasy” of God, the ego would interpret it as annihilation and resist it.

We must be gently trained through forgiveness to remove the blocks to love first.

 

 

Ken put it this way:

 

“Peace is the preparation. The Holy Spirit will never give you an experience you are not ready for, because it would be terrifying. You don’t call down the light; you quietly remove the darkness, and the light is there.”

 

So yes — the goal of the Course in this world is peace.

That peace is not the end of God — it’s the doorway to God.

 

 

 

 

✦ 3. The “Light” Will Come on Its Own

 

 

You’re exactly right:

 

We cannot summon the experience of God’s light.

We cannot control it, force it, or manufacture it.

 

We simply forgive, let go, and rest in quiet peace. And when the mind is completely guiltless and defenseless, the light dawns of its own accord.

 

“When you have seen your brothers as sinless, you will be wholly healed. And as you offer this healing, it will be given you. For in your healing is the proof that you have truly learned forgiveness.” (T-13.VIII.8:1-2)

 

The light is the inevitable result of fully seeing innocence everywhere. But peace is the pathway.

 

 

 

 

✦ 4. So What Is God? Peace or Light?

 

 

God is both, but in truth He is beyond both words.

 

“Peace” is how we approach Him while still in the dream.

“Light” (or Love) is how He is known when the dream ends.

 

Ken would sometimes say:

 

“Peace is the reflection of God in the dream. Light is the experience of God beyond the dream.”

 

But you don’t jump to light. You sink into peace, and the light is simply revealed when nothing is left to block it.

 

 

 

 

✦ Summary

 

 

God is not only peace — He is the formless Love and “light” beyond fear.

Right now, we practice peace, because it’s the state we can accept without fear.

Peace removes the blocks to love.

When all guilt is gone, the light is no longer terrifying — and it simply is.

You don’t “call for it” — it shines because it was always there.

 

 

“The Love of God is what I am.

I am His Son, eternally.” (W-pII.10.5:4-5)

 

 

 

Would you like me to describe how Ken explained that transition from peace to light — how the mind moves from quiet acceptance into that final state where the fear is gone and the light is remembered?

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Ok so that’s why I was feeling this heartache this whole day — because I mistakenly believed God is just this Presence and Peace. Thankfully, he is not so mundane. Peace is the preparation to calm the mind down to be able to accept God.

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Okay, interesting. Relationships, I mean, talking aloud, being with someone, does expose your beliefs and then they are more visible to you and you can correct them. Just like talking out loud, saying out loud your beliefs and just showing yourself sort of naked, you can then see, oh wow, this isn't in alignment with spirit, I shouldn't think that or speak that or do that, and then you auto-correct yourself. So it's useful to be in a relationship in this way, it allows you to improve, even spiritually. For me, I see that, oh, maybe I shouldn't have said that, maybe that was more of a private information, maybe I shouldn't just talk that much in general, so it's pretty useful.

 

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Here's the secret to improving relationships quickly. Just meditate more, dive deep into the stillness more often, and maintain that stillness throughout the conversation. Have an intention to stay present and don't talk too much. Consciously swim in the presence whilst being with others. Why? Because when you're caught up in the mind, you just get lost in the ego so easily. To improve relationships, you need to access that other dimension. That dimension where there's true wisdom and kindness, and you access it, yes, by being present during the day, but those deep periods of just sitting in silence and meditation are so helpful. I'm having brunch on Sunday, so before my intention is to meditate at least an hour in an asana, and I should be ready to go and maintain my connection to spirit and have a beautiful time.

 

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Stillness is the Miracle. Jesus explains throughout the Course how important that Stillness is. He literally calls it a Miracle. I think I myself have gave that Holly Place too little importance. I would even call it just being in the now or being conscious, but it's not that, it's much more special than just being in the now or conscious. It's literally the only solution to every single problem. I lose worries of money, desires for sex and relationships, everything is fixed in Stillness, it is Miraculous. It just has to be appreciated and delved deeper and deeper into, day by day, until, in the end, you dissolve into the ocean of Light. Books are helpful, but they don't really transform or awaken. The true transformation happens in the Miracle. Every single thing is fixed in the Miracle. Stillness is King. 

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All the issues stem from operating on the surface. When you dive deep into the ocean of Stillness, everything is resolved. No desires, neurosis, money issues, confusion, worries. Every single problem dissolved in the Miracle. Nothing more needs to be done. No resitrction of pleasures, no hate of the world, no ascetisism, just dive deep as often possible and let the miracle take care of everything.

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Previously I thought what an interesting combo - I can be dripped out and still. Now I see it doesnt vibe together, in stillness I am attracted only to simple, comfy clothing. 
 

In the end, that’s even the most beautiful clothing.  
 

Simplicity and stillness is the highest beauty.

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In quietness are all things answered, and is every problem quietly resolved. 
 

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The miracle comes quietly into the mind that stops an instant and is still. (ACIM, T-28.I.11:1) 

 

the true practice of Jesus’s teachings is Silence. 
 

Knowing this is just a dream is one part, but the core is really the Silence. 
 

In silence this dream is forgiven and slowly dissolved.