Ascend

@Toby So you're not even willing to question a guru's status? You seem very close minded. No I don't believe she is - although of course she is very spiritually advanced. For you to get the picture - of how exclusive and rare enlightenment is, I can't name anyone that I know of that's enlightened. That doesn't mean there aren't people - there are, just nobody that I know of that is.

@Toby Yeah, but here's the thing. Interest in spirituality, or glimpses, don't MEAN enlightenment. Of course Jim Carrey has had glimpses. Of course most actors and singers, and musicians are spirituality advanced. But we are talking about enlightenment here, and it's obvious that you don't know what it is. Neither the guy writing the forum (I looked him up, seems like a good teacher though) nor byron katie, nor any of the aforementioned people are enlightened. Some of them are quite spiritually advanced though, I'm just discerning from "enlightenment".

@Toby @sgn @Nahm 1. Nobody in show business is anywhere close to enlightenment. You lose attraction to material things far below enlightenment. Nobody enlightened is interested discussing purely intellectual knowledge (aka the mind) on a forum or otherwise. Who ran the forum Toby? (pm me if you want) 2. Enlightenment. Haven't you had glimpses of it? I've had many. That, but as a permanent state. Knowledge of self as awareness. 3. They don't necessarily sit in the caves, but they don't spend their time on online forums either. Specifically not "self improvement" "self actualization" forums. Where do I even start? They have no self. Nor is there 'improvement' of this Self. I forgot to add. Do you think Eckhart Tolle would be interested in discussing things in an online forum? of course not. Nobody interested in "mind stuff" is enlightened. And btw, he's not enlightened either. Just saying though.

Fully agree, it's extremely amusing that members think they might be enlightened or that actors, musicians, athletes might be. Not even sure where to start with this...there are too many misconceptions. First, no one that's enlightened is on an online forum. No one enlightened would be an actor or hollywood, that's ridiculous. Nor would they be obsessed with the body, or anything intellectual.

He's obviously not enlightened, far from it. Compare his teachings and presence to that of Tolle. It's pretty obvious, come on guys.