Iksander

@Gianna Do not say 'Do you mind if I friend zone you' Still too passive. You need to be ruthless. You need to be honest about the fact you aren't attracted to the man or he will keep pestering you.

@Gianna No we won't get the inside scoop. At least not the one we want (haha) What we will get is a load of crap like 'just tell her how you feel' or words that make us 'feel good' Girls are nice. Simply from reading this thread I can see you are a nice girl. BUT you would give me awful advice on how to attract women. Partly because so many women don't even know what they want, they just know when something FEELS good, they like it. The best phrase is 'If you want to catch a fish, don't ask a fish how to catch it. Ask a fisherman'

@Lucas-fgm I think there are so many guys with poor inter-gender relationship skills out there that women are used to it. They think the guys who are bad at trying to attract them are 'friends' This is not the way the 'friend-zoned' guy is seeing the situation. He's always hoping it will lead to more. Basically, these guys simply have bad mating strategy.

@Gianna We have to be transactional with other men at first. We need to understand what each of us brings to the table. For example If I choose to go to the club with a guy that's creepy around girls, It will fuck up my night. If I choose to be friends with a guy that let's other people push him around it will put me in awkward situations where I have to keep defending him like he's my girlfriend. No thankyou. If he can't defend himself if we get into a dangerous situation then I am at a disadvantage. If he has emotionally issues I may get dragged into drama that I don't want to be part of. The list goes on

@Preety_India If it were me in this situation, I wouldn't care at all. There's so many hot women. Why would I get hung up on one that has a boyfriend. Although, I don't keep female friends. Fuckbuddies would be the closest thing. I prefer friendship with men.

@Preety_India Personally I look for traits in women that I find to be attractive. You can call it 'walking around with a checklist' but it's the same for both sexes. We look for attractive traits in one and other

No. You're describing weird men with few options here. Some men think this way sure but this is simply not an accurate description of 'men'

No, we are. We size each other up all the time, and to a greater degree than we do with women. How fun is he to be around Can he physically defend himself Is he cool around women Does he have good social skill Does he present himself well Is he smart ect. I could go on all day.

@Gianna Well done, you figured it out. Add a ruthless streak to your personality to reject men you aren't interested in (sexually) No reasoning, justifying or overthinking, just NO.

@Gianna What you see "hehe I'm being nice and covert this should work he understands hehe" What he sees "SHE WANTS ME TO PUSH A LITTLE HARDER THEN WE CAN FUCK ONCE SHE REALISES HOW GREAT I AM"

@Gianna "Stop trying to fuck me" " I'm not attracted to you, stop touching me" "I'll call the police" "Sorry I only like you as a friend" "You're not my type nothing will happen between us" "I wouldn't fuck you if you were the last man on earth" "Your face makes me feel sick" "Let's just be friends" "You make my pussy dry" "Leave me alone"

@Gianna So you want a platonic male friend. Why specifically this and not a boyfriend? Now I am curious

@Gianna I think you should consider the possibility that you are confused about what you want. To be blunt, men want to fuck you not be your friend. We're designed that way.

@Gianna Make friends with women and you won't have this problem.

@Gianna are you pretending to be stupid Block. the. number.

@Gianna Don't care about their self esteem, you won't be doing them any favors. Tell the person you aren't interested and stop being around them if they persist

@Gianna What's the context here?

Yes and thankyou so much for your own useful contribution to the forum.

It's so hard to detach from a perspective sometimes. I am aware of my existence on more than one level now and it's so difficult not to get sucked into any one of these perspectives. Any insight?

@SonataAllegro Thankyou <3

So here we all are alive, it's truly incredible to be here. I want to read what the deepest experience of your life (so far) has been.

@Valach I strongly recommend you listen to the audiobook/read 'The way of the superior man' by david deida. It will help you. There's nothing wrong with not finishing in sex at all. Often times when I have sex I don't even want to cum, so I don't.

I had my deepest awakening last night. It hit me that all pain and suffering was created by me, myself. Every single thought that I attached myself to was bullshit, layers and layers of lies upon lies. I've awakened and experienced myself as I am, and I've come to inhabit a new world. My inner state was keeping me in hell. I was my own prisoner. Now I realize why enlightened teachers talk in such a confusing way for unconscious people. You simply are awake or you aren't, and most humans are so deep in delusion that there's nothing you can say to wake them up. All you can do is try and point them to the light, by being the light. Ever wondered why you feel pain? Because you have chosen to create pain, so you experience what you created. Finally a question for those who have awakened- what are you doing with yourselves? A funny question to ask myself I know, but I am so curious

@kwar Thoughts aren't lies, they also aren't true. A thought is a thought. The logical mind needs.... blah blah blah. Do you know, truly KNOW what the logical mind is? Or are you holding on to a bunch of beliefs about the logical mind that you've typed out here for us to read. You've told us you're skeptical, who's skeptical? As soon as you say that, you've created an identity for yourself. The one who is skeptical. See how tricky that is? Perhaps start from here and begin questioning exactly who/what you are

@PureRogueQ Yes, what you're saying is true