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This is the tragedy of the ND. First you get labled all sorts of things from society (lazy, stupid, overly sensitive, not manly enough, pedantic, boring, weird, nerd, drama queen, weak, useless, unlovable, unemployable, ungrateful, chaotic, messy, distracted, woo woo, hippie, degenerate, childish, just to name a few), leading you to learn to cope by categorically rejecting all negative labels about yourself. As a result you end up also rejecting those labels that would actually help you.

Negative labels are not inherently bad because the are negative. They are dangerous because people tend to deny them. If you are addicted tp drugs and you don't want to admit to yourself that you are addicted because you don't want to identify with the term "drugaddict" you have a MASSIVE problem. (Edit: The more narcissistic you are, the harder it is for you to accept negative labels about yourself btw. just throwing that out there) I'm not advocating that the person in the allegory should identify with that label and I'm not saying that anybody of you should identify with any label. This is what the "figure out which traits you have without labeling yourself" is for.

Do you mean the ND labels? This is has not yet been not true for me personally. However it has been true for labels from other personality models.In reality, denying my neurodiversity has done massive damage in my life. Would you like to be more specific? That would help

The problem is, that people don't understand why they are deserving of a supportive environment and what this constitutes. If one lives in a capitalist society, they are brainwashed into believing they are not deserving of shit if they don't fit the norm

Agreed 100% "I have very deliberately challenged typologizing "introversion" when it comes to myself, because I know the traps my mind creates when I go in that territory." I also agree with this 100%. I feel the same way. The introvert label also doesn't fit me 100%. I think neurodiversity offers a way more precise explaination for introverted behaviour. One could even go so far as to say, that neurodiversity is the underlying structure of "introvertedness" Examples If you are passion oriented this could mean that you avoid boring people bc you can't stand listening to them. To avoid the awkwardness, you might avoid them leading to introverted behaviour. However when you are with people who you think are interesting, you can be incredably social, even more than the average. When you are a truth loving person (TLP) (on the autism-hsp spectrum) you are insensitive to social truths which means that it is hard for you to adhere to social norms which leads to rejection from neurotypicals. This can lead to avoidant and introverted behaviour. Also when you are a TLP, you are more sensitive to stimuli and it is harder for you to filter or ignore them. Since social situations are extremely stimulating, you are depleted very fast and retreat. etc This leads to an interesting question to investigate which is: "Are all models of personality just structures built on top of neurodiversity? Can all of them be deconstructed into different traits of ND? Could that be the reason, why no personality model ever feels quite right?"

All of the stage yellow values perfectly apply to Marxism-Leninism except dialectical idealism

The best way to help MAGA is to help them realize their mistake in trusting in Trump. Marxists are way more anti-establishment than Trump. If you think about it the only thing keeping them from gaining class consciousness is the fact they are heavily propagandized with anti-communist propaganda. Edit: Also it is important to understand, that getting rid of Trump is not going to help with anything. Trump is not unique. He is a symptom of the problem which is capitalism and the democrats are just as guilty in upholding that system as the republicans. The only way to sustainably fix the problems of america and the world is by violently overthrowing the american system and replacing it with a communist led govenment. And to archieve that, every worker with a gun is needed and then, it doesn not matter of they hate trans people or something.

This is exactly right. These things you talk about are just fun little gifts from the slightly less malicious part of the bourgeoisie to delude the proletariat into thinking they have it well and should be thankful for the rigged system. Notice that things like "civil rights" don't take any profits from the bourgeoisie so they don't give a shit weather we have them or not. In fact, they LOVE us talking and argueing about identity politics and shit because it distracts us from the real problem: The class struggle. The MAGA community has TREMENDOUS revolutionary potential, since they intuitively understand that the system is rigged against them (also they have a shit ton of guns lol). Fighting them and degrading them only helps the rich. At the end, the only things that truly matter are material things like the housing, healthcare, food, infrastructure, job security, etc. But the rich don't want you to have that unless you pay them big money

The reason why the free palistine people are silent is because the Ayatollah regime was the direct answer to the opressive regime of the shah which was backed by israel and th Us. The corrupt shah helped the us oil companies to extract oil from the region preventing the profits from the oil to go to the people. The shah forced the population to dress in western clothes to flatter the west. The shah was rightfully overthrown by a revolution and the country was taken over by the theocrats. They swiftly undid all the western reforms under the shah out of justified spite against the us. They wanted to create to most anti american country possible which led them to create rules about women needing to cover up etc. This is why pro palestina people feel like it's not in their or in the wests place to condemn a goverment that is the direct reaction to western imperialism. Every source that is ignoring this history of american imperialism of Iran is fuelling imperialist propaganda. Edit: This is not a pattern unique to Iran. It has played out and is playing out everywhere. When you are a small country with lots of recources and you don't want to just give all those ressources to america. They will fight you to the bone with sanctions, coups, fake protests, fake elections, etc and lead your people into ruin. And after all that america will propagandize the entire west and even some citizens in the oppressed countries like the woman you sent in here into believing the suffering of the people is the result of "dictators" or "authoritarianism" or "terrorism" and not the west. You and this woman live in a propaganda bubble my guy. Not us

@BlueOak Word Yeah, "tHinGs aRe nOw betTter thAn eVEr" is straight up textbook capitalist propaganda Edit: There is truth to that statement, but if you use it to argue that capitalism is the best system for the current stage of developmemt of the world and it shouldn't be overthrown, THEN you engage in anit-comunism, pro-capitalism propaganda and working unpaid labour for the CIA without knowing it

I'm with you that using negative language can be problematic, bit I also see subtle problems with your frame. For example if you tell someone they are gifted and passion oriented, they might say:"That sounds super super great!" and then move on with their day all confident but not looking deeper into what this entails. Later, they might subconsciously think "if I'm gifted which is nice and passion oriented which is nice, then why do I have so much trouble in life? Surely it can't be bc of these super duper great aspects of me?" But this is just a very minor critique. You are still correct with your core point.

By in large, I agree with your points. The reason why it's so hard for me to ditch the negative language is because I want people to find the right resources and there simply is more research/content talking about these concepts than for any new made up ones. I get, that this might make me seem like I have an inflexible frame, but that's simply not true. I'm completely for completely reinventing the term neurodivergency on this forum from a high consciousness perspective moving forward. After all, where else would that ever happen, if not here.

How DARE you accuse me of this!!!!!!!! No it's totally true I can't disagree with this lol

No no no no no no that's not my point at all. My view of narcissism is extremely nuanced, since I deeply studied and observed the behaviour of my step dad who is a narcissist. I'm planning to go into more detail in the future. Thanks for bringing it up so I could clear up the misunderstanding

I actually had quite a lot of fun writing that 😂 Yes, again, I think this kind of covert delusion is in some ways way scarier than the obvious delusion of someone like Trump. Also, I think this guy and his writers might be consciously, strategically lying while Trump believes his own lies. This makes them the psychopaths, not Trump.

This is a really good point. I have a nuanced answer to this. I will give it when I get to it.

Under one of my posts @Alexop wrote: “These people who say theory is a waste of time have no idea what they are talking about.” Then I replied: “False. This comes from a lack of understanding neurotypicals (I'm being deliberately provocative). The average neurotypical doesn't give a shit about theory but not bc they are stupid but because they value quality time with friends and family way more. They have a fundamentally different value system. They are totally happy being a cog in a machine. They don't care if they don't understand the purpose of what they are doing, they just want to gain the material conditions necessary to build family and social connections. And, again, from their perspective this is totally reasonable. We need to understand that an ND person fundamentally has a different purpose in society than a neurotypical. It is important to understand that it is impossible to live both lives at the same time.” But what are the respective purposes? Before answering this question, we can first use this insight to entertain a radical thought. We understand that NTs literally don't care what garbage is fed to them as long as their material conditions are met. The force that has helped to achieve it, and is currently maintaining it, is capitalism. Again, when the basic needs of the people are met you can feed them with everything you want and the people who are currently doing this are the people who won at capitalism, which are the rich. Because capitalism is built on wage labor, NDs are systemically oppressed. One common result (even historically) of the NDs losing the materialism game is excessive idealism and the outright rejection of materialism, which one can clearly observe ravaging in this community (look up spiritual bypassing). Over time, the greed and deception of the rich also nags on the material conditions of the NT working-class (most of you probably know by now where I'm going with this lol). The (seemingly) radical idea now is this: What if the ND community team up with the working-class to end the hegemony of the minority bourgeoisie and their allies by force? The role of the working-class people is to protest and to use violence if necessary. NDs are unable to help with this since they are generally too sensitive (lol). The role of the ND community is to provide the theoretical core of the new state apparatus (vanguard party) who hold and manage all the material power provided by the proletariat to systematically raise the material conditions of the working-class (ideally through tier 2 thinking which is why it is vitally important to me to discuss it here). This state is totalitarian. But I want to circle back to the beginning to the post. If you truly understand NTs you know that they have never lived in a non-totalitarian reality and will never live in one because they don’t care about questioning what is fed to them. This means that someone is going to feed them. The question is just who should be doing it? The bourgeoisie? The reason why NDs should have absolute power is because they are hilariously uncorruptible. I bet a lot of you can even quantify the amount of money they are willing to give up to pursue truth, down to the dollar! (For example because you quit a high paying bullshit job) If you now say that this is lofty unactionable theorizing, I will throw a rock at you. This idea is not radical at all. It is also not biased or dogmatic. It’s arguably not even left wing politics. It’s common sense. And it has already happened many times in history. It is dramatically effective and the only one thing that the rich and the fascists truly fear. In fact, they love idealism, mysticism, stage green and conscious politics because it is not actually dangerous to them!!!!. Most of what you think you know about communism has been manufactured by the bourgeoisie. I plan to post more about Marxism-Leninism in the future. I will start by quickly debunking the most common misconceptions about communism present in this community.

Btw. I've written an overview of my personal goals with respect to Actualized.org in my about me section, If people want to check it out.

Why there is actually only one Problem with Escapism The solution is right in front of your eyes. Your wording implies that you have an internalized aversion against doing nothing, and this is exactly the problem. Finally, to my big point about enabling the Peter Pan people The reason why the Puer Aeternus (aka "degenerate gamer" type) engages in self-destructive, escapist behavior, is because they're passion oriented and so squashed and discouraged by the societal expectation of them engaging with their kryptonite (consistency, hard-work, discipline, attention, deadlines, responsibilities, chores, etc.) every day, that existence itself becomes unbearable. Escape and distraction from an unbearable state are only understandable reactions. So what exactly is the core problem with such behavior? That it is bad for health and balance? That it doesn't lead to you making money? That it is "pathetic"? No. The objects of distraction are not inherently problematic. The only thing that is problematic about escapism, is that it blocks your crucial ability to do nothing and be bored. The reason, why boredom is important, is because it allows your default mode network (DMN) to activate. I'm not an expert, but if I understand this brain system correctly, the purpose of the DMN, is to enable you to mind wander and through that process reflect on your choices, search for meaning, calibrate your activities with respect to your personal values. So when passion oriented people are empowered and enabled to uncage themselves from the toxic societal expectations applied to them and at the same time encouraged to just chill every once in a while, they will automatically orient themselves towards their authentic selves and successfully learn to positively disintegrate from society.

You seem to be talking about this insight specifically: From this post: Edit: I hope it doesn't look like I'm trying to claim your insight. I just think it can be beneficial to loop back every once in a while to enhance readability.

Thanks for the encouragement! This really helps. I want to add some nuance to this metaphor. It still holds, that challenge does not have to be external, however people who own a cat will say: "Yeah, this is true, but my cat will still have more fun and benefit more, If I properly engage in the play with the right toys." To transfer this insight into reality means: If you have a good coach/teacher/conversation partner, you will learn just as well or even more than alone. However, your partner needs to be adaptable. If they hold boring monologues, you will not be able to pay attention. And if this is the case, it's not your fault, it's their lack of adaptability.

Sorry for tooting my own horn, but I think this post is relevant when talking about discipline and hard work.

Shit goes absolutely haaaaaaaaaard! Thanks for sharing! I'm not quite sure what you want to say with this, but I think the opposite is true. If you see love, truth and infinity and all of this bogus as the most fundamental aspects of god, you live in delusion. Even worse than that, the reason you do this is to flatter yourself and to cope with your own self-hatred, stemming from your ostracization from society for being neurodivergent. The rationale is this: If god is good, and I'm god, then that means I'm good enough! What you don't realize is that that has nothing to do with truth and everything to do with cope and delusion. Every teaching that has some connection to the left-hand path (satanism, occultism, aghori, etc.) points to this truth, which is why these kinds of teachings are completely underrepresented in this overly idealistic, chronically spiritually bypassing, anti-materialist and therefore deeply counter-revolutionary community. I'm planning to write more about this topic in the future, bc I think it is absolutely fundamental. Edit: It is important to note that the song might have put me in a sort of adversarial mood which has led to chose this strong writing style. But seriously. Shit goes absolutely bonkers.

Fuck yeah, we are now definitely getting to the juicy part of all of this, which is: "What does all of this mean for my actual life?" It is important to note that answering this question and living according to the insights stemming from it, is a work in progress for me too. Before continuing, I want to point out that I don't want to talk any of you into believing that they should regret any past life choices. I sure as hell don't. ALL of your life experience is valuable, ESPECIALLY the bad decisions you've made. Also, I fundamentally reject the idea of regretting ANYthing. There is truth to this, but you have a very dangerous flaw in your argumentation, which is this: Why do you assume, that challenges have to be external? I want y'all to live like cats. When you observe a cat, you will notice that you can hardly play with it, when it is not in the mood for play. In contrast, when it's in the mood for play, you can barely stop it from playing with itself. This is because, when it's in the mood, it will see every object in your room as a toy. Also, it will adjust the amount of challenge automatically, for example by attempting more and more difficult jumps, since when the play is not challenging, it's not fun. My claim is that if you are a passion oriented person (ADHD, executive dysfunction) you are required to be the main supplier of your own challenges. If it makes you feel any better, you can also frame it like this: Non-passion-oriented-people have difficulties at figuring out what's worth learning by themselves, which is why universities exist, so they can go there and be spoon-fed knowledge curated by their professors who have done the same thing. This is correct. I'm sorry I have not been precise enough with my writing. Yes, non-passion-oriented gifted autistic people will have stellar careers in technological fields and non-passion-oriented gifted HSPs will have stellar careers in psychology and adjacent fields (this is still very simplified, of course). My radical claim is: The reason why everybody reading this is at least to some extent a passion oriented person, is because if you weren't, you'd not be here to learn, but instead you'd just invest all of your energy into taking more courses at university so you have your phd faster or whatever. (or working longer hours to increase your wage, I think you get my point.) That sounds like an awful lot of repetition and predictability for someone claiming they're the opposite of autistic 👅. My claim is that me and you, like most people here are somewhere on that autism-psychosis spectrum you sent in here, with some features of both. (psychosis=HSP in my mind, I know this is a radical claim that needs more evidence, but it is a useful frame for now) I have not gotten to my main point about enabling yet, but I need to take a break😅