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Do you think either of them read the book? I don't. These people are stupid. Stephen Miller is a nazi. Absolutely. The problem is, take the common person, the audience of your "Nazi" claims, what do they mean by nazi, gas chambers in my opinion. Republicans are fascists, corrupt, oligarchs, anti-constitution, anti-freedom, anti-elections, liars, violent,.... Republican.

Absolutely, but don't call a spade a wolf, don't cry wolf. Nazi, means gas chambers typically, do you think we're headed that way? I don't. Republicans are bad, but don't overplay your cards and embellish what's going on or people will dismiss ALL of your concerns.

'Republicans' I still think 'nazis' is a small minority of Republicans. Republicans are corrupt white nationalists.

Knowing only what you know right now, would you pay $3,500(33,000 Swedish Krona) for an advanced Sadhguru retreat, if that was within your personal budget? Would you buy a $3,500 Spira retreat, if it would also be within your budget?

They don't to me. I would hazard a guess that they do to you because they're so emotional and reactive.

Do you know who Rupert Spira is, at all? If so, Do you think Spira's and Sadhguru's retreats would be very different?(aside from no yoga), in regard to 'raising consciousness'.

I have no ill will toward you, but I'm probably just not going to talk to you, it's like we're from two different planets.

I appreciate any advice, you know more about certain things than I do. I wasn't trying to argue, I don't like arguments, i was trying to have a conversation. I still feel like I have the strong position on this though, lol, always did, still don't see how you disagree.

You shouldn't try to read minds at all. I don't know what to tell you, I thought I gave simple explanations, and I only gave examples("facts") when you asked for them. Didn't use chatgpt, it's like we read two different conversations. Sorry for being mean, sincerely, you didn't deserve that.

I was asking sincerely. I didn't even post any facts let alone "dig them up". Bro, you think you're a mind reader, you're a poor communicator, ask clarifying questions instead of assuming and just attacking.

This isn't pedantic? We misunderstood eachother. When you posted that study, I thought you were saying it indicated enlightenment. I admitted Sadhgurus work helps people, I even said I like his teachings.

I don't understand what your viewpoint is; are you saying you think Sadhguru means he can raise consciousness in people, but he doesn't mean completely, he just means raising it some, in people, and that cures the "mental illness" he always speaks about?

@Carl-Richard why do you keep asking me questions? Not that I don't want you to, I'm asking sincerely. It seems like a waste of time and energy from what you're saying.

@Salvijus @Ishanga would you pay $3,500 for a Spira retreat? If not, would you mind giving a brief reason as to why? Please and thank you.

By "mental illness", you don't think Sadhguru is talking about enlightenment? Are you familiar with how he uses the term "mental illness"?

Can you embolden a part that i dropped?Or a contradiction I had in those responses? What "I wasn't claiming" were clearly assumptions by you, I never said spiritual teachers shouldn't charge, I never said Spira enlightens people, I never said Spira was a better teacher. I don't think people can lead others to enlightenment. 'There is no sailor', it's more like Musk saying I'll fly you to mars, or I want to fly people to mars. You're again superimposing assumptions onto what I've said. Consider my critiques are not ad hoc. Do you not think you're strawmanning me at all? In regard to being considered a conman? Yes, language is very critical. Do you think Spira leads people to his resort stays the same way Sadhguru does? Do you think most students from either would go to the other's? I don't. Consider Sadhguru's audience, not you, reading and hearing these things I 'pedantically' point out. Then do Spira's, you see no difference?

What do you mean by 'either tip-toe or annoy/insult them'? Not intentionally annoying or insulting right? I don't see any problem with that, you're not responsible for their feelings.

I was speaking to your "used vehicles" comment. Definitely a leisure trip, you disagree? Some people may incorrectly think, "motorcycle, efficient!", no, it's not! My non-hybrid car that can haul 5 people gets better mpg. Let alone a bus for his 16 people he says is with him "4 motorcycles, sixteen people" (a small bus is most efficient, or two vans. I'm saying a bus is most efficient, not deriding his bus usage if they did use one) that bike is huge. Let alone tire life on a motorcycle is ungodly, pun intended, (motorcycle tire rubber is really soft for grip). An environmentalist....... he published this, role modeling.

This looks brand new to me, like a $30,000 bike. Do you consider Taylor Swift to live selflessly? Some people may incorrectly think, "motorcycle, efficient!", no, it's not! My non-hybrid car that can haul 5 people gets better mpg. Let alone a bus for his 16 people he says is with him "4 motorcycles, sixteen people" An environmentalist.......

@something_else I don't understand your attitude, if you get herpes you're screwed, I assume you can get it through oral too. Antibiotics aren't great for you either, you're a 'biotic'. It's not worth cheap sex for me.

Enlightenment isn't like going on a cruise, to me. We have radically different ideas of enlightenment. What about Jean Klein taught Francis Lucille, Francis taught Spira? Do these guys seem Enlightened to to you? Just to clarify though, it's not my position in our main conversation that anyone can lead people to enlightenment though, it's yours. As you say in your last paragraph here about a "firm position", this is a tangent from the conversation but by you. So, you disagree, right? I can't tell your thoughts on this. See the image below, it goes with this quote "An advanced full-day experiential program with Sadhguru This program goes beyond anything you've experienced. Expect the unexpected. Through powerful processes and guided meditations, Sadhguru leads you into deeper states of consciousness and helps release long-held negativity. Step into a space of joy and clarity, where life unfolds in its true essence. Guided Meditations Powerful meditations led by Sadhguru to explore higher states of consciousness Higher States of Awareness Opportunity to experience deeper states of awareness and spiritual growth" Spira "Description For those of us who love to dive deeply into the heart of the non-dual understanding, retreats offer an unprecedented opportunity: seven days with Rupert and friends, nestled in a beautiful location in nature, where we steep together in the peace of our true nature. Retreats gather us in the heart of being, where we spend our days in self-abidance, friendship and creativity." https://rupertspira.com/events/events/seven-day-retreat-at-the-vedanta-21-28-november-2025/ See photo below. Sadhguru's has "soak in ecstasy of enlightenment with sadhguru", and then from the quotation above "This program goes beyond anything you've experienced. Expect the unexpected" Spira's has "we spend our days in self-abidance, friendship and creativity." I think Sadhguru is pretty explicitly selling enlightenment or deeper states of consciousness here, Spira seems more like 'come hangout with me, you've seen my videos it will be like that', I don't notice anything like Sadhguru's "This program goes beyond anything you've experienced. Expect the unexpected." I wasn't seeking a discussion about this let alone a substantive one, I just gave my two sentence crude opinion, to no one in particular. I never expected that you would be so serious about this. This is not a topic I have much care about. My position never changed and I did not navigate any contradictions. I think you may have been a bit emotionally reactive with my first comment and didn't take time to see what I actually said and didn't say, Instead, assuming my position was that spiritual teachers shouldn't charge, as I had to repeatedly tell you that wasn't what I said, and assumed I have the same idea of enlightenment and 'how to attain enlightenment' as you do.

Other people want someone to be with too, different people like and dislike different characteristics in others, there's probably plenty of people that will want to be with you.

It's not similar to here, it's the people that get banned from here, all the annoying and mentaly ill put into a blender.