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Easily. You've obviously NEVER read Marx. "The Socialist movement is a working class movement, a movement in the interests of the great majority. Workers support each other internationally on the industrial field during strikes. There will be no lack of mutual assistance when the greatest working class movement of all, the movement to free the toilers for ever from the domination of a master class, reaches the point that it can call upon them for international solidarity in striking the final blow." https://www.marxists.org/archive/mcclatchie/1946/transition_period.htm#:~:text=Thus some people may have,in striking the final blow. Socialism cannot, structurally have borders and free trade, it would not be socialism. There's literally no difference between that and corporatism. This is basic 1+1=2 math. Just draw a new state around ExxonMobil then, a new state around X,..... blackrock,.... draw a new state around every individual, every property. This is down syndrome level coherence.

No it's not, socialism is a stage in marxism. At this point you're just outright lying. You know nothing about Marxism, 4th grade americans know more than you. You're being a troll, perhaps unintentionally.

Just going to completely ignore what the thread is about? Socialist amnesia?

You literally don't know what socialist means. "Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains," -concluding The Communist Manifesto, Marx

I can't believe you just choose to read over the most commonly stated and basic part of socialism. Essentially, you personally don't want socialism, you just want benefits for yourself personally, you actually don't care about people in general. You're the perfect example as to why marxism is idiotic, and socialists are completely contradictory. "Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains," -concluding The Communist Manifesto, Marx

So... do you agree Marxisms goal is that the entire world be socialist. "Transition period" is meaningless in this discussion, what's the goal.

Marxism does not recognize states, it's proletariat vs bourgeois, every person on earth. This is basic socialism. Listen to any socialist essay, "workers of the WORLD unite". This is why I call it a cult, you people literally don't even know what you're spreading.

My gotcha was not about trade. Marxism is a stateless ideology. You're confusing pre "revolution" trade policy with post. Lenin was a protectionist, not free trader.

Do you consider yourself to be familiar with Marxism?

But you hate that at an individual level(capitalism)

That is the issue with marxism, it's capitalism in sheep's clothing. Big industry is the problem, there will not be a magical leap of consciousness for society by merely changing to socialism. The people right now have the power to stop being Ultra-Consumers and they don't, they over-consume more and more. The power is already in the people's hands and they collectively rape with it, they will do that with socialism and worse because it will have to be authoritarian, you will have no individual choice where to buy anything from or who to work for, it will all be decided "collectively". Bottom-up decentralized "socialism", (this is capitalism). "Workers unite! And just quit being stupid."

And you want to throw this happiness away because you're brainwashed by a cult. Socialists absolutely do that. The PSL party(socialist party) in the u.s. makes everyone take a pledge and rigidly accept everything the leadership decrees, no different than China, or ussr states. China and Russia Control can be by manipulation, not just physical control. So, if UK went Socialist, you would be okay with them continuing their current relationship the way it is with the u.s. and Israel?(not "isolate") Ya, top-down can only be authoritarian, hence "top-down". The bottom-up (co-ops) can be liberal.

I'm not saying to drop your belief system, I'm trying to show you why I think it's silly. Moving to those communities makes sense to me if you truly believe in it, supporting capitalism living here being the antithesis. Corporatism and socialism are brothers, not opposites. Both authoritarian. Opposites in reckless theory, only. Under capitalism, the workers have the ability, right now, stop buying from and working for corporations. I don't support corporatism, tax corporations and billionaires out of existence. I'm not a liberterian, I find that more foolish than socialism. I'd be interested to hear more on this, I see no validity in this view. I've ran into what I consider dumb dead ends every path of socialism I've explored. I like the community level, I consider that egalitarian, while 'socialism' being more similar to a broad government, hence the top-down rather than bottom-up approach by socialists "Revolu-tion!" vs, "let's start a co-op".

Was it Jeffries or Schumer that went Socialist when I wasn't looking? What "radical policy" did this, all-knowing Socialists? It was the republicans radical policy. Now we're winning, because Americans want sanity, and you want us to copy the republicans losing strategy! Heil Marx! ✋️ You're in a cult

Why don't you join one then, instead of trying to force all of us to convert? Grow marxism from grassroots, rather than from pirating, is what I was saying. Go be a successful community, everyone will flock to it and convert. Be a shining light on the hill! You guys seem to be ensnared in a psyop, to me. The socialist arguments don't hold up to any bit of scrutiny, it's all feelings. I myself am an egalitarian, everyone deserves everything equally, but this binary argument of socialism vs. Corporatism is very childish.

I think it's obvious even marxists don't believe in marxism, for one simple reason; they don't start a Marxist community and grow it. Instead, Marxists want to hijack a capitalist community. Look at their excuses with USSR; " The u.s. isolated them", so, they needed capitalism to survive? USSR was largest empire in history, is there a minimum amount of land area they need that's larger than Siberia? They're binary-thinking idiots, authoritarian cultists.

I find it odd how cavalier Europeans are on the Iran issue. Iran can reach Europe with it's missiles, and surely would strike Europe in the event of a war.

The idiotic reckless language used by people like AOC is more harmful than any programs people support. You actually may be right though, AOC is so stupid she probably doesn't even know what socialism actually is, her and bumbling Bernie think social security is socialism.

-We're all in this together. And I'm certain we will win, things are already moving that way. This means, this is not all on your shoulders, we all 'got this', you can relax and let go, you're on a global team that believes the same thing and is working on fixing it. -The only things that are actually affected are just materialistic sort of things. Of which, currency manipulation should hold off serious fallout for low income people(everyone will be fine) -I go to protests all the time, the communion is very encouraging. Had 1 protest and 2 vigils this week, protest coming Saturday. They're fun too, make friends,.... -live your life, take breaks when you need, re-priorotize yourself, be caring toward yourself. Spending time outdoors, I think helps me a lot, yoga. Just all the typical healthy things to do.

There's no such thing as a "socialist program", Raze. Try, for once, actually sticking your head out of your bubble and listening to what republican voters actually say.

The only reason people vote for republicans, is that they hate socialism. That's it, you two are the problem.

I still don't see any reasonable chance. It's Greenland that should worry, Trump will use when impeachment starts. Looks like an attack on Cuba soon but that's not enough for the Epstein trials. I think it will be Greenland, not an attack, but the u.s. is just going to take it, just show up and declare it Trumpland. Iran is just way too strong, the U.S. Generals are shitting in their boots right now thinking about it, they will tell Hegseth and Trump.

This is a way Australia's and now the EU's bans on social media are detrimental. The internet is being used to educate people in things that actually matter, despite all the bad things it also spreads. People say we're too informed but the only problem is selectivity, we're really still not informed enough. We should see more images from Gaza and Sudan, we should see more about how Iranians actually live and what they believe. People are talking about MAGA being an 'extinction burst' of nationalism, the bad parts of society we're seeing are not created by social media. It's ironically reactionary from 'progressives' for the bans, look at the boon of liberalism in the u.s. right now opposing MAGA. These bans are just more fear of ourselves, the same thing conservatives do. We're moving toward a liberal world governed by the people (ungoverned).

Then how did the first trans person decide to be trans? It never even existed, who forced them to believe they were trans, and this would be back when trans were legally executed for being trans. How did this originally spread. You're not only a conservative, you're a conspiracy theorist. Do you support immigration, environmentalism, justice reform?