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Nope, sound it out now.....

You understand words you don't know, by the way they're spelled? English is your first language right? Guess any of these meanings, the easiest one, you choose. Adynamia Anecdotage Impignorate Syzygy Callipygian Floccinaucinihilipilification Kakorrhaphiophobia Accismus Agelast Bibble Cabotage Collywobbles Erinaceous Absquatulate Agastopia Convivial

You're saying this about learning a foreign language, for reading. I understand you have to know the sounds for speaking the words. So, a language that you do not know the words even audibly, focusing on the sounds of the letters, helps you understand the meaning of another foreign word? That's impossible.

Obviously anyone struggling should get more focus on phonics, but not at the expense of everyone else. The testing data I'm finding isn't showing anything ground breaking, without even entertaining my 'cheating' claim. https://open.substack.com/pub/freddiedeboer/p/is-phonics-instruction-a-reading?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4r30ck "So sure - I agree there’s a strong evidence-based argument for using phonics to teach reading to students who need formal instruction in order to read, and that such instruction can offer real if modest advantages compared to some other approaches for young, struggling readers who need help decoding at the word level. Beyond the earliest grades, outside of lower-level learners, and for tasks beyond decoding and into real comprehension, the phonics advantage collapses."

Definitely. This situation doesn't seem like basic gun violence to me. Doesn't seem like the example to harp on gun control over.

California has done phonetics for 30 years, they were the first, they have the LOWEST literacy rate, Mississippi10 years ago.... Phonetics is cheating, of course elementary word tests will get better scores with phonetics. @Thought Art all you've provided is your opinion stated as fact, you only have anecdotal evidence, you've posted ZERO scientific evidence. This is typical of these bullshit hype-ragebait pseudo-science campaigns. Just post some damn evidence then. "According to recent data, the following states have been identified as having the lowest literacy rates: California: 76.9% literacy rate, the lowest in the nation. This significant gap highlights challenges in educational infrastructure and demographic diversity. 1 Louisiana: Approximately 84.0% literacy rate, facing historical educational inequities that continue to impact literacy levels. 2 Mississippi: Also around 84.0% literacy rate, struggling with similar educational challenges as Louisiana. 2 New Mexico: Literacy rate of about 83.5%, grappling with rapid population growth and multilingual educational needs. 2 Texas: Noted for having low literacy rates, with specific average scores under 254, indicating significant challenges in literacy among its adult population. " 1

That's AMAZING! Do you think, we have a 99% literacy rate, the other kids are just cheating on the tests, you believe they can't read and write? You didn't do work outside of the tutor session? This thread is not about 1 hour a week for 2 years, it's about completely gutting how reading is taught.

Take this instance for example, you think eliminating guns would have stopped them? Look up terrorist attacks, and the different ways they do them. These guys planned this out, it wasn't a whim. Take the Boston bombers for example, in gun loving America, they didn't use any gun. Oklahoma city bombing, fertilizer bomb. We had several parades recently where a truck ran over the people. Depravity Whack-A-Mole. There's a simple solution, we have to quit murdering people, Europe murdering Palestinians, U.S. murdering muslims and Venezuelans, and none of our countries batting an eye at it. You get these little attacks that relieve some pressure(from the persecuted), think AlQaeda, ISIS,..... you can plug these little holes eliminating guns, then it just boils at a higher temperature and explodes into a death toll of 3,000 (9/11) Australia has pretty good gun control as far as I know. They're colonizers though, that's the problem.

I don't mean phonetics as an extra thing being taught will impede, I already said it's helpful. Obviously if you teach phonetics you eliminate other things you were teaching, you're not adding 3 months to every school year for phonetics, you're eliminating vocabularly and reading assignments.

Trucks, nerve gas or mustard gas(easily made with readily available material), anthrax(naturally grown), arson while locking doors, poison in the water system,.... guns are more convenient but taking away guns doesn't eliminate the problem, especially for planned attacks like this.

🙄 They didn't write for lay people

I'd say the prevalence, but not the cause.

That's just treating a symptom though. Theres still pressure cookers and trucks...

I will say, I absolutely do believe a phonetic approach to reading is the best way to read if you don't care about writing, you're converting symbols to sounds, like someone is speaking to you, rather than consciously thinking of the meaning of a symbol, it's easier, more natural. But not to write accurately(half of literacy). It's kind of funny.....🤔 probably right before Whole Word started, or not too long before it, words weren't standardized, people wrote more phonetically('incorrectly')...... 🤔 ......spelling is conformity......

They never touched on this in your school(not your tutor)?

I can see phonetics being used for a satisfactory level of literacy, I just think it's reckless to say you can decode English with phonetics, it's a ridiculous claim proven so with simple 'to/too/two'. For an accurate level of literacy you would learn through memorization though, but this is hard with dyslexia. When you're writing and words are coming to you, are they purely in audible form? They're both audible and written when they come to me.

@Thought Art can you write difficult words correctly, without memorizing them?

And when you get to writing dough/doe, ant/aunt, deer/dear, two/to/too,.... you use brute memory though?

@Thought Art you've memorized these words, haven't you?

So, can you write at a 12th grade level?

@Thought Art

Of course phonetics is used in learning a word, you have to speak it! My reservation is with reading, you have to memorize words, phonetics in reading is for cheating to not have to memorize low hanging fruit words: i.e. 'child level reading'

@Thought Art how do you know the difference between these? I love my deer I love my dear I killed an ant I killed an aunt I ate the dough I ate the doe

Exactly, it's only for 'low hanging fruit' words, it's not "decoding" English, it's cheating.

Can you decode any of these words with phonetics? (Don't use google) Adynamia Crepuscular Impignorate Petrichor Abibliophobia Callipygian Élucubration Floccinaucinihilipilification Kakorrhaphiophobia