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I'll at least bite for discussion. I explicitly ask if they want to have sex. I wouldn't want to sleep with a girl that's been drinking, myself, but I'm not going to denounce that. What the fuck are you talking about, does sex happen like pornos for you? You don't push a girl into sex, we hear it all the time, I can't believe people still don't listen, women are physically scared of men, not just MMA fighters, normal men.

Unless you're a Palestinian, am I right Carter?

Same to me.

Are you referring to bathrooms and sports? If so, doesn't your argument dissolve into itself, if it's so few people does it make a problem? Not that I'm advocating for males in women's sports, that's a different discussion to me.

Just so we're clear here. @Twentyfirst @Breakingthewall You're advocating against treatment that prevents suffering, and suicide even, without you ever doing any research on this subject. You're advocating for people to be harmed.

Puberty blockers are not sex change hormones, cis gender, non-transgender kids have taken them for decades.

@Twentyfirst @Breakingthewall

The Trump administration threatened to sue them and break up google and meta if they didn't.

12 year olds haven't even gone through puberty, they're not getting "sex change hormones". This stuff isn't over the counter, it's from an endocrinologist and psychiatrist that will lose their licenses if they're reckless. 6 year olds definitely start making decisions for themselves and preferences. I remember crushing on a girl in kindergarten, and I got a love note in 1st grade(7 year olds). This isn't something being pushed by whackjobs, children and people are suicidal and other types of distress. There's thorough testing and evaluation and monitoring.

Some castrated themselves. Suicide happened as well. Most transgender today don't get surgery, by the way. And plenty of non-transgender people take hormone blockers, Puberty blockers have been used for decades in cisgender kids who either are going through puberty too early, or, in some instances, kids who are going through puberty very quickly. They also didn't use any other kind of modern medicine, I'm sure you're opposed to vaccines and cancer treatment too right?

Gender dysphoria was not diagnosed until 2013 Trans people were mentioned all the way back in the Bible even, ancient greece, ancient egypt. Not that I agree with your numbers, Google doesn't show anything near 2.3 million, but with Conservatives making it the rebel thing to do I'm sure some people do it for that, but it takes a specialized psychiatrist to prescribe any gender affirming treatment, it's not over the counter and doctors can lose their license for harming people. What was the gay population in the 1950s vs now? Who do you think convinced everyone to be gay? And while you're at it, where did the witch population go, and the demon possessed population?

The trade deficit is a real problem since the u.s. is in so much debt, it's not just the U.S. trading less, when there's a trade deficit money is leaving the u.s. economy that would otherwise continue circulating within it. It's just that tarrifing everything is like burning down your house to kill a fly. This is trumps own plan, I don't think the tariffs will last long at all. Some tarrifs could be beneficial, not this. And there's endless other ways to rectify the trade deficit, education and investment for example to produce more valuable services and goods for the world. Or even just increasing taxes to pay down the national debt, this would indirectly suppress discretionary spending, reducing imports and the consequences of a trade deficit.

@WikiRando 1,000%, 2,000%,...... there's no limit. The goal Is for America to make toasters for ourselves, apparently, instead of software for the world. The real goal is attention, he's just an attention whore. There are parts of the u.s. where people want jobs, but Biden already took care of that with the chips act and build back better.where. Trlade deficit can be corrected by offering more valuable goods and services to the rest of the world, or buying less crap, it's not determined by tarrifs.

Suicide rates are lower with therapy, transgender doesn't mean they receive therapy, it's illegal even some places, let alone expensive.

Hormone imbalances cause depression and anxiety, it's why people take testosterone for example. Depression and anxiety cause suicide and substance abuse. Transgenderism = hormone therapy, testosterone.

Low testosterone causes depression and anxiety. Rogan takes testosterone to stay in normal range, he's low in testosterone without it. You're just talking out of your ass.

He doesn't take it for muscles, he takes it to feel okay. I'm not talking about steroids, he's naturally low in testosterone.

Wouldn't that also mean people like Joe Rogan taking testosterone are just not self loving enough.

In some places it's illegal. In the u.s. a lot of states have banned hormone treatment for under 18, and they're trying to ban it for everyone. A user on this forum was opposing it at the beginning of this thread, he posted hormone levels. I think I'm going to call this transgenderism issue 'hormone treatment', do you see any issue with that? I see why you would take issue with "trans", you haven't changed, and you're not a third gender. I'm just a layman, but I think words can make a difference.

When he goes to prison, I pray him a long, long, long, long life.

@Adrian colby do you have a suggestion on what to refer to this all as, if not 'transgenderism'?

@WikiRando tell that to Afghanistan.

I think that it even has a name, the recognition of it at all, is because of and to deal with the difficulties of it in life, how to navigate the "materialists paradigm" with it. No different than lust, materialism, ego, greed, people think differently, feel differently, like different things, and for all different reasons. I think the political problem is people not understanding the difference between giving someone room and personal agency, and promoting self destruction, resulting in hate for someone they don't understand. The history is already here, it's not an experiment, these people kill themselves when they're denied personal agency. There's no Bible camp that has ever "fixed" them, that's just lazy, actually it's beyond lazy now, it's contemptuous, it's vile and sinister.

Get psychiatric help brother.