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"Hurt the left"? No. I think state run would be better. Your poll shows 36%. Read the actual poll not the condensed 'abstraction' on the right of it (read who it's by in the bottom right corner) "About 4 in 10 Americans say they support a single-payer health care system" AP- NORC poll https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/majority-of-americans-unhappy-with-health-care-system-ap-norc-poll

The idea -- that we cannot do public option, because only 40% of the u.s. supports it, makes... no sense? The Century Foundation https://tcf.org How to Create a Public Health Insurance Plan: Lessons from States Apr 21, 2025 — One approach that three states—Washington, Nevada, and Colorado—have adopted is creating a public option for health coverage. Ya, and we wouldn't have Trump holding them hostage right now, would we? Do you understand that you pay individually out of pocket to be on Public Option health insirance?

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Biden cannot magically do single payer, thats asinine. So, this is your item that dems will win 60% in the senate on? An item 40% of the u.s. supports. Biden ran on it, you said so, why didn't we win 60% of the senate then? Canada and UK are the size of Alabama or Mississippi. They're much more socially developed, but the shear size of the United States alone, disregarding the diversity, does not allow a fair comparison. Why hasn't Sanders started these things in Vermont, at all, anything? He's been in politics there for 90 years, he was a mayor I think. These things need done at the state level, or even city level. 60% in senate is required to pass this stuff.

AI, please https://www.f35.com/f35/about.html "About the F-35 As the Navy's first stealth fighter and the world's only 5th Generation, long-range stealth strike fighter, the F-35C was designed and built explicitly" https://theaviationist.com/2025/05/13/houthi-air-defenses-u-s-f-35s-and-f-16s/ "Yet with the loss of no fewer than seven MQ-9 Reaper unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) to hostile fire, as well as close calls with manned fighter aircraft, the U.S. had clearly been unable to secure aerial superiority. $1 billion of operational costs had been spent in the space of a single month, not including the two F/A-18 Super Hornets that had been completely lost during the operation." "U.S. officials speaking to The New York Times said Houthi rebels ‘nearly struck’ U.S. F-16s and an F-35 within the first 30 days of Operation Rough Rider." Defence Security Asia https://defencesecurityasia.com Iran's Bavar-373 Claims Ability to Track F-35 Stealth Jets: A Game-Changer in ... Apr 16, 2025 — Fire-Control Radar Configuration: High-power S-Band and L-Band radars optimised for detecting low-RCS stealth aircraft. Detection Envelope

If you're actually interested, i suggest starting with your questions through AI. I'd be happy to talk about it more, but this just seems like we're having a dumb argument about something that's not going to happen. I didn't mean missiles to shoot jets down, I mean to hit the u.s. bases, restricting the jets to air refuelling, a logistical nightmare, fighters fly for 2 hours max, less than 1 hour in combat. This below is an air defense system, they don't sit still, the houthis use an even smaller one. Iran can actually detect stealth aircraft too. It's not really about advanced anything of irans though, it's mainly the brute missiles, their fighters are just for defense. Bombers are easily shot down by Iran. Then, we're back to your worry about using up our 5million dollar bombs.

Zero of which can reach Iran without refuelling from inside Iran's missile range(iran will strike all the bases). Home field advantage. ABC News https://abcnews.go.com Navy loses 2nd fighter jet in Red Sea in a week - ABC News A US Navy fighter jet sank to the bottom of the Red Sea on Tuesday. It is the second NDTV https://www.ndtv.com Houthi Group Says Its Attacks Led To Shooting Down US F-18 Fighter Jet May 1, 2025 — Yemen's Houthi group has said it had shot down a US F-18 fighter jet during an earlier assault on the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman The New Arab https://www.newarab.com Yemen's Houthis nearly shot down advanced US F-35 jet: report May 18, 2025 — The Houthis successfully shot down at least seven US MQ-9 Reaper drones- each worth around $30 million- and came close to hitting an American National Review https://www.nationalreview.com The Houthis Just Turned a U.S. Super Hornet Fighter Jet into a Submarine Apr 29, 2025 — Houthi rebels in Yemen have shot down

The state of New York did not indict Maduro, nor did Venezuela send drugs to the u.s., they come from Mexico and colombia.

You have a glamourized view of what a u.s. attack on Iran would look like. Iran is huge and strategically prepared, hence the underground nuclear sites. Why was the u.s. fighting Afghanistan for 20 years, a country with no legitimate military. Iran has the 14th strongest military in the world, Afghanistan 2001 had 50,000 soldiers, one u.s. aircraft carrier has 5,000 sailors. Iran has a million. There's a specific dynamic being overlooked. The u.s. would be the offender, Iran defender. When you're a defender you have no reason to reserve missiles or jets for instance, Iran has a massive stock pile, they will fire indiscriminately, at ships, bases, everything that moves, they will hit, hence Israel's "Iron Dome" shattering to pieces in a MILD volley. When you're an offender, you're more reserved "China will take taiwan and Phillipines if we deplete or lose equipment, BRICS will take south america, Russia will take the Arctic".

Imagine Iran downing say even 1 bomber and 3 fighters, this would be a devastating blow to the u.s. military's reputation, which is the most important part of the u.s. military. NDTV https://www.ndtv.com Houthi Group Says Its Attacks Led To Shooting Down US F-18 Fighter Jet May 1, 2025 — Yemen's Houthi group has said it had shot down a US F-18 fighter jet during an earlier assault on the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman AL-Monitor https://www.al-monitor.com US loses second F/A-18 jet in week of Houthi campaign May 7, 2025 — Two US Navy pilots were rescued after ditching their F/A-18 fighter jet during a landing mishap on the USS Harry S. Truman off Yemen's coast on Monday Are the houthis more sophisticated than the u.s.?

Well, obviously the bombs you drop and missiles you fire. The u.s. used half it's bunker busters in June on Iran already. And Iran would take out all kinds of fighters and bombers, possibly even ships. Iran has a serious military and defenses. The Economic Times https://m.economictimes.com US can spare only limited Tomahawk missiles, likely no major impact on ... Oct 14, 2025 — The United States could provide Ukraine with only 20 to 50 long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles, the Financial Times reports Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org Tomahawk missile Tomahawk missile ; $3.1 million (FY1986) · $1.87 million (FY2017) (Block IV); $2 million (FY2022) (Block V); Export cost: $4 million (FY2023) · 2,900 lb ( The Venezuela hit was a sucker punch, like the June nuclear site hit. Even the u.s. is vulnerable to such an attack. Like, Luigi can walk up behind a ufc champ, kill him and run to the next state.

It's not really true though, we can't take the losses we would sustain and maintain our defense let alone everything else we're defending in the world.

The U.S. military is overestimated, by design, just how China and Russia like to bluff about theirs. This is why the U.S. won't take military risks and suicide missions, why the largest strike group in the world went to 3rd world Venezuela. Any exposure of weakness or fragility is huge. The houthis, a rag tag paramilitary have recently shot down American fighter jets, the u.s. denies this and says they fell into the ocean. Iran has a military that the u.s. cannot overthrow. U.S. used microwaves and mass fake drone deployment to disable Venezuelan defense, would not work in Iran, would get shot down by fighters. U.S. is not prepared to attack Iran even if 2 strike groups were in the area. The June attack used half of the U.S. stockpile of bunker buster bombs. "Abraham Lincoln" strike group is headed to the middle east. A week out. The West is not invincible. We rely on sophisticated stuff which is impressive and scary but also a dependency and vulnerability. We do not have infinite supplies.

@Raze @Kid A let's play out your mental charade What EXACTLY, give a specific thing that Democrats should have done to convince more people to buy happy meals? Here's things they should have done differently -Biden never run in 2024 -no vaccine mandate -kept student loan forgiveness more quiet, not celebrate it -something very hard to predict, they should have waited on the bipartisan infrastructure spending, they over compensated to dampen the recession. This contributed to inflation, although probably marginally. -cut defense spending Here's things they should NOT have done which I believe you're implying - promise fantastical socialist programs(not going to happen, even if mamdani becomes president) These empty promises, like we will all get the joy of publicly humiliating about with Mamdani, BACKFIRE and cause long term distrust and you get another Trump in 10 years. You're suggesting LYING to win "Get ya hot dog!" ...... "hey mother fucker, there's no hot dog in this bun", yelp review still 10 years later 0 stars for Raze's Dogs Socialists think they're playing 5d chess by shitting in the middle of the chess board, a 5 year old child "I win!". You guys are so super-intelligent that you can't defeat a 90 year old alzheimers patient that in YOUR words can't sell crack to crackheads. The only thing that's been offered in this thread is a nebulous pseudo-intellectual "dEmOcRaTs aRE dA wOrStEst!!!!" It was suggested let Cory booker lead and adopt an fdr message, those are the silver bullets that break the rust belt voter eh? 🙄"we need a better mommy to promise to mommy us" . And this thread is posted anew by the same users every month, since back before the election, like Russian bots.

"Democrats lost because they're weak" "socialists lose because democrats are too powerful" More like basic denial 'Socialists just need to sell it better!' "Hot dog, get your hot dog!"

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So, you admit socialists like sanders are even more incompetent.

To think, AT ALL. To take their date to Martinellis Steakhouse vs McDonalds. Do you think Democrats didn't advertise and campaign, are you on drugs?

If I take a girl to a McDonald's, I MYSELF failed, not Barney's 5 star bistro.

This is what we're arguing. The voters FAILED.

Ya, being a bad fucking legislator and president vs being a better one, Because the VOTERS AREN'T 5 year olds buying happy meals

McDonalds winning is the CONSUMERS fault, not Michelin star restaurants faults.

You talk out of both sides of your mouth. Lying socialists

DUDE this means Americans need to wake the fuck up, not that other restaurants need to focus only on advertisement and shit food. SERIOUSLY? Democrats are winning every election, you're the one not in reality.

You breaking up has nothing to do with how good you are, that's up to her whether it's good enough or not for her. She may definitely grow. If you end on a good note, your paths may cross again.